SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]
" Me too, that's why I support the skill-check Lab. A game where ascend-ancy points were given for free or for doing stuff you'd do anyway, would be a worse game. The Lab is still too easy, becaue it's not solo-only and at least Izaro kills can be bought in trade chat. I'm sorry you feel offended by my characterization. I've been a whiner most of my time here, usually whining about RNG gated endgame, trade-centric design, etc... If GGG doesn't surrender to the pressure and doesn't remove the Lab, I promise I'll donate the sum you wont. (damnit, where is Charan when you need one.. :P) When night falls
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Morbo, we've established that the lab isn't a skill-check. It's about using a correct build type/skills/pots and cheesing through. No 'skill' required. I want to be challenged. The lab provides me with vomit in mouth but zero challenge. |
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Labyrinth is so boring, tedious, and just simply not fun.
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" No we have not. Regen + armor builds have a easier time and can survive more punishment, but you still can't just mindlessly run through everything, esp. not in Uber. For EVA/CI/hybrid builds its even more of a skill-check. You guys woldn't complain so much, if you could just offscreen pew pew traps with 1-million DPS builds. But since you have to jump over one or two traps and timely zig-zag a gauntlet, it's the end of thew world. PoE is full of time-sinks. But this 1-hour of Lab to get 6 opieop asc points, is what "breakes the game"? right... When night falls
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Yes. It's horrible enough to break the game.
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" Sorry Morbo, but you are flat out wrong when you tell me I wouldn't complain so much. Speak for yourself. You don't know me and pretending that you do shows that you are not being reasonable. We aren't asking for ascendancy points without a comparable challenge. That would be stupid because that is not how it works for fun games. There are many alternatives in the OP. If you think that none of them present the challenge of the labyrinth then you probably haven't even read that section of the OP. Labyrinth is boring tedious and not fun, at least for some people. Many people have quit because of it. I'm certain that far more quit and quietly go away than come to the feedback and suggestions forum and post their views on labyrinth. Although many come into these threads to say goodbye. I don't play HC but I understand that the HC league was very lightly populated this league, I would guess because of the labyrinth. That too indicates that there is a problem that GGG needs to solve. And YES that horrible hour or two of labyrinth game play is the reason! So open your checkbook for a what is/has been a whole lot more than just me. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" I'm not against alternatives, under a few caveats. I have presented my own alternatives, too. " Many people would leave no matter what the alternative. Some people hate traps (but claim traps are piss easy?), some hate Izaro, because he "hits too hard", some say the labyrinth itself (I guess layouts or tilesets) is boring, some dont like that you need to restart on death, etc, etc... Short by removing it, GGG can't fix it for everyone. And GGG will not backtrack on a whole expansion. What I learned in these many years playing PoE, giving feedback and complaining on the forum, is that some things will not change and I need to suck it up. Eg. PoE will never be a self-found friendly game, because is designed around trade. And I guess the lab is here to stay, so the sooner you get used to it, the better. When night falls She cloaks the world In impenetrable darkness Last edited by morbo on Jun 23, 2016, 3:08:55 PM
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To gate the only thing that makes fun here = skilltree
its done imo here happens the same shit i have seen in sooo many games before... i am very frustrated about the gamechanges act 5 - more nice maps - new monster/bosses was all the game needede till act 100 or whatever. nostalgic nice action and the discussion about "Noobs-Casuals and Pros" are real blah. everybody can play so slow or fast as he want. meta....... i am not in competition with anyone. i played with fun till the lab came out. now i am more off than on.... deja vu like in the game before. oh noooo not again.....pls |
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" While it is true that people leave all the time. I assert that at no time in the past has there been new content added to PoE that has generated anywhere near as much hate/controversy as labyrinth. The number of people leaving or no longer donating is something that GGG probably has a very good idea of but they have not made that information public. I assume this is the key information that will be used by GGG to decide if they are to do something about this in 2.4. No way am I ever going to get used to doing the labyrinth. I've already mentioned to you what the much better alternative is. For example, if the first time I ever played PoE was Prophecy, I would have gotten to the labyrinth and immediately quit, assuming that I hadn't already quit after going into a trial. Some people don't like trap gameplay. I'm one of those that don't like trap gameplay. Other people don't like the trap gameplay with a mouse instead of a controller. While some other people have said that they just don't like trap gameplay mixed with their ARPG gameplay. Like I said, I assume that the labyrinth will be made optional in 2.4. I really don't care if it stays, as long as the ascendancy points can be earned without the trap gameplay. If my assumption turns out to be wrong about 2.4 then I will simply uninstall and be done with it. Until then I'll continue to post on the Feedback and Suggestions forum in the hope that GGG will decide to fix the labyrinth in 2.4. So, the sooner you get used to it, the better. :-) Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" Morbo, you appear to be confused by the distinction between "fun" and "easy." Equally, between "tedious" and "difficult." While tedium contributes to a *kind* of difficulty, it's not at all the kind of difficulty people are talking about when they say, "Suck it up, man. The Labyrinth is not that hard." Those statements are usually a kind of straw-man sophistry, meant to distract from the genuine objection. It's a bit obnoxious of me to keep quoting myself, but it beats typing shit out over and over again, so here, once more: " People who hate traps are talking about #1. People who find the entire labyrinth tedious, not just the traps, are (usually) talking about #3. The straw man I referred to earlier is #5. " I've had fun playing self-found, exclusively, since the early days of beta. And still do. It's almost as fun as it always has been (the Labyrinth puts a serious damper on the game's fun), despite the game being designed partially around trading. With Masters and cards, it's easier than ever. I suggest you make a thread on the topic, and see what kinds of suggestions people make. (PM me if you do, and I'll pop in and make a few suggestions of my own.) Wash your hands, Exile! Last edited by gibbousmoon on Jun 24, 2016, 12:05:08 AM
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