is lightning coil really that good?

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raics wrote:

True enough, I'm not grinding for 100 but playing a melee evade-acro-enfeeble in talisman I could really use extra protection in higher mid tiers, though a ranged char probably wouldn't need it.

Yeah I'd describe evasion melee without LC as fucking unplayable.

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elitedesolator wrote:

Yeah I'd describe evasion melee without LC as fucking unplayable.

It's interesting that the biggest threat are actually strong blue packs, especially if they have 'accurate', 'fast attacks', some kind of damage boost or frenzy/zeal charges. If they surround you and you don't clear them fast you're dead as a dodo, yeah, evasion usually means crit so you're able to but once in a while the shit hits the fan at a particularly awkward angle.

it is all about consistency in the end. getting the 22.5 % effective physical mitigation ( assuming 75% lightning resists are capped) on a coil is like running around with a physical base fortify and basically increased your maximum hp by a large amount vs said sources.

it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more mitigation vs physical than any piece of armor will give too.

but yeah being able to survive many hits is preferable to avoiding many hits but dying too the few that get through.


so yeah lc and evasion if you want to not die id kind of a sad requirement, hell id roll a lc as armor too.

sure you give up a potential 2000k chest (but that is not really true for most people anyway because money and shit) but you can make that up with a few armor nodes and liberal use of granite flasks anyway.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

so yeah lc and evasion if you want to not die id kind of a sad requirement, hell id roll a lc as armor too.

sure you give up a potential 2000k chest (but that is not really true for most people anyway because money and shit) but you can make that up with a few armor nodes and liberal use of granite flasks anyway.

I guess that might change in ascendancy if you use a juggernaut, 4k base just from chest sounds fairly meaty.

i use LC on my cyc barb.

Atm i have 3k armor 3k Eva. Dunno if i should change LC for something else or take the node to change EVA to ARMOUR

I'm definitely looking forward to Ascendancy. Atm in HC talisman I have - 7.5K HP, 9.5K evasion, 3.5K armor. With the permanent fortify, I'll be kinda hard to kill. :-)

And yes, those stats are on ranged character. :_)

Lightning coil pretty much negates the need for investing in any armour nodes if it is used along with other phy mitigations. Enfeeble, endurance charges, AA, and fortify and you are good to go vs physical.

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raics wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

so yeah lc and evasion if you want to not die id kind of a sad requirement, hell id roll a lc as armor too.

sure you give up a potential 2000k chest (but that is not really true for most people anyway because money and shit) but you can make that up with a few armor nodes and liberal use of granite flasks anyway.

I guess that might change in ascendancy if you use a juggernaut, 4k base just from chest sounds fairly meaty.

technically 4k is still inferior to lc

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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raics wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

so yeah lc and evasion if you want to not die id kind of a sad requirement, hell id roll a lc as armor too.

sure you give up a potential 2000k chest (but that is not really true for most people anyway because money and shit) but you can make that up with a few armor nodes and liberal use of granite flasks anyway.

I guess that might change in ascendancy if you use a juggernaut, 4k base just from chest sounds fairly meaty.

technically 4k is still inferior to lc

On an armor stacker, most likely. Well, you can have a higher life roll and a crapload of resists compared to LC, if you're a 2H user it might make a lot of difference as the bulk of your armor comes from chest, it might be a better option in some cases.

With an armor build you can get 6k from a 2k rare armor alone, and 9k if you run determination as a defence aura. Best combined with a good helm:



Only for example, I'm selffound so you will have better stuff when you trade.

This doesn't mean you are immune, but it helps a lot. You shouldn't tank a vaal smash with a coil either, or a pack of blue cursed enraged extradamage giant skeletons. But you can ignore anything besides these big threats, everything under 1k damage/hit simply bounces off (is negated by regenaration/leech without noticing).

Coil gets you a good pysical reduction without investing any passive points - with an armor you have to invest to make it woth it and build around it.