Zeno - Trade Etiquette

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I_NO wrote:

I'm still fucking laughing that's some good shit right here.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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nait2k4 wrote:

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

So this is ultimately an indictment of the trade system? Fair enough...

I'm just sad that neither of them could tell the difference between a genuine 'scam' and a mere ripoff. And a ripoff of a whole 4 chaos. Wow.

Not just the trade system, so much, as the whole player interaction system. We've got no tools for removing people from our maps or hideouts if things go sour interaction-wise. The only interactions we have are Duel/Trade/Invite/Kick - not really very comprehensive for multiplayer-centric party/trade based ARPG.

Very true. And it's totally redundant to say how many times we've gotten on GGG's back about these 'QoL' improvements.

But honestly, dude, I think the best way to eradicate these sorts of encounters is to remove any need to interact to begin with. I love that GGG tried to fight that tide, but after playing other games with streamlined trading systems and other non-textual means of playing together (GW2 being the obvious example), I think it's time to concede defeat there and let people do what they want to do: gear up asap and get back to playing.

Because you can't expect anyone to be nice online. It's nice when they are, but you can't expect it. And given how tense, angry and volatile PoE can make a person (and GGG are fully aware of this), this game more than many really needs to ease up on the forced interaction to engage in 'gearing up'. I've traded a fair bit and never once had an encounter such as what happened here, and I could say it's because I always use smileys and go to some effort to be personable, but that's purely anecdotal. Oh, and if the quoted text said 1 chaos and someone came back with 5, I'd say no thank you and move on. Or, if I really wanted it, I'd say 'that's not the price you listed but I'm in a hurry/don't care so let's do it' JUST so that person knew I knew.

Which is essentially what happened here -- Zeno didn't care but the other person mistook his haste and nonchalance for ignorance. And mocked him for it. And feelings were hurt. And then it went boom.

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Sheriff_K wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

wow. would have been so easy to just put him on ignore and move on like you should for every seller who says "offer".

That's.. a really bad mentality to have. So what, someone who doesn't know what their item is worth cannot trade; at all?

In the rare cases where they don't know or have some clue. How would they go about selling the item? Guess or assume the offer was good?

In the remaining cases, they just want to see if your offer is an overpay.


A practical example: I ask someone how much for their item. They say offer, I say 3 ex. They say nty. I say, okay how much do you want for it. They never respond.

Another example. I ask someone how much for their item, they say 50 ex. I say ty but above my budget. At the very least I have an idea of the market value of the item and there is a possibility of compromise.

A trade system in this case does nothing when the seller is unresponsive and completely unwilling to compromise. Terrible player attitude is as much to blame as a non existent trade system.

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Isolationyears wrote:

lol, all this over 3c, when he has a 6l item.

poor baby

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aceCrasher wrote:

We shouldnt witch hunt here. His reaction was a dick move and unacceptable.
But im pretty sure that someone like this, who cant even get over a sarcastic comment, shouldnt represent this community.
Maybe he should leave the podcast, since he just earned himself a pretty bad reputation.