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nomis01 wrote:
I've been theorycrafting for awhile now to find the perfect build to fit my style ...
-I want something all around
-something I wont get tired of playing
-something tanky
-decent to good dps
-ok clear speed able to do high end maps
-something with range and aoe still efficient at close range
-I always wanted to play with both devoto's devotion and lightning coil as they seem to have a great synergy together


here's what i came up with (will start with a pre-levelled 80 toon i have a few)

-Looking down at the unique list i came up with more to complement em : aegis aurora, rainbowstrides, block corrupted stone of lazwhar

-then i thought how can i use the best out of every gear piece ?
-iron reflexes to get the maximum out of the shield
-weapon based lightning damage to get the most out of the armour
-pure elemental damage build to get the most out of the helmet
-no crit since there would be better options otherwise gear wise
-non crit ... so i would need to make a decision, invest in accuracy or take resolute technique ...
-lets use resolute technique since its near templar who is heavily leaning towards elemental damage and block
-here again, to get the maximum out of the shield i need high block
-here again, to get the maximum out of the shield i need to be weapon based elemental damage

so i came up with a skill tree

skill tree
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http://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwABAO4EswUtBjkJMwz3Dc0VIBm0Gjgczh7fIWAnLymlKk0rUCzpLYMvzDIJNZI62DwtPQ8_J0CgQzFEnkbXR35KyE9WUWBTu1fiWfNlTWaeaPJsRm6qcYVyD3Jscql07XTxdct2rHflfLt82YKbguSDzITZiq-K8Ix2jX6QEZBVogCplayvrY2vp7CrsUKzP7XytzG3Pr02vqe-vL_VwL_BgsSCxPbGrsy3zZjPftE21XXYvdq52sHhc-Is6UbqGOpi7SDwH_MG9zL7qv4K_lQ=


stat breakdown
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https://pathofpoe.com/passive-breakdown/AAAAAwABAO4EswUtBjkJMwz3Dc0VIBm0Gjgczh7fIWAnLymlKk0rUCzpLYMvzDIJNZI62DwtPQ8_J0CgQzFEnkbXR35KyE9WUWBTu1fiWfNlTWaeaPJsRm6qcYVyD3Jscql07XTxdct2rHflfLt82YKbguSDzITZiq-K8Ix2jX6QEZBVogCplayvrY2vp7CrsUKzP7XytzG3Pr02vqe-vL_VwL_BgsSCxPbGrsy3zZjPftE21XXYvdq52sHhc-Is6UbqGOpi7SDwH_MG9zL7qv4K_lQ=/


I think its pretty much optimised

but how do i get the most damage out of this beastly tank !?

-since im heavily into lightning damage and not going for crit piscator would be partially wasted so i went with hacyon's fury and doryani's invitation (lightning version)

will resists be ok ? made some calcs while tweaking the tree with the new ideas i went for

fire 26+54+12+30+10+20-60 (92) ok 76%
cold 54+12+18+30+10+20-60 (84) ok 80%
ligh 54+12+18+10+20-60-60 (-6) need 81 (at least 27 each piece) ok 75%
chao 20-60 (-40) (3x15 = +5 3x20 =+20) ok +5 or +20

with only 2 rings and gloves left to get the resists it will be tight but possible

now i need to maximise lightning damage so i will need wrath, herald of thunder and added lightning ... i might get a problem with intel requirement of these 3 ... need +- 155 at lvl 20 ish

i have 70 from tree so i will need 85 from these 3 gear pieces ... hard but doable

now the 3 remaining gear slot I have needs 27+ lightning resist, 15+ chaos resists and 29+ intel and life on each slots
hard but possible

what will it looks like dmg wise i made a quick calc (I am aware it might be off since im not sure on the exact mechanics to calculate dmg)
based on lv 19 no quality gems
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added lightning + lightning pen + lightning strike + multistrike + wed + innervate
1-600 1.3 ias
added lightning damage : 16-295
herald of thunder (25%) : 18-71
wrath (50%) : 14-231
weapon ele damage : 58%
skill tree dmg : 162%
skill tree ias : 33%
gear inc damage : 90%
gear ias : 20%
skill damage : 158%
multistrike : 93%

total damage : 49-1197
total inc : 468%
base ias : 1.3
ias : 271%
atk per sec : 4.823
total damage :278.32-6798.96
avg dmg per attack : 3538.64
dps : 17066.86
the dps could probably be pushed between 20k with better gear


do you think it is possible to get better dps while being as tanky with this ?

here's your form ;)


Skill: lightning strike seems the best
Crit, Elemental, or Phys: elemental
Which league are you planning to play this build on? (if standard, i can help gear): standard
What type of weapon will you want to use? e.g.: Dagger, Wand, Sceptre, Mace, Staff, etc: no prefference but sword seems the best
What level are you planning to level this build to? (need to know for point allocation): 80 onward, this is my ''retirement'' character since i wont be playing much from now on with my personal life

about the currency i have to invest in this build it might not be enough ... i am willing to trade all i have in this game for this gear and i think i will make it if i settle for a 5l and settle for the bare minimum stats for the yellow items, i might or might not get a legacy coil depending on the deal i find.

60c+
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Holy shitting fuck... the amount of dedication in this, +1 man,

First off the bat, lightning strike + Added Lightning damage = no go, you need physical damage to get more out of the damage conversion, so, maybe Fortify :)

Secondly, the skill tree looks fine to me, you've got plenty of block, some elemental damage, and lots of damage mitigation if block fails, so, it looks alright so far via the tree.

I just saw the last spoiler (im writing this as im reading lol) and i would replace Added Lightning with Fortify, because its probably best that way, since melee damage > Lightning damage, or... Phys > Lightning (shit son, you could even go PTL)

Now, just a tiny heads up, i know you didnt mention this, but to add more to my point of "physical damage is needed more then flat elemental/elemental damage" I would highly recommend not using Hyaon's Fury, mostly because its flat elemental damage, and thats only mostly good with Spectral throw and cyclone (since they hit super fast)

I can try and get more damage via the tree, but i don't entirely think that's you're intention, since you want to be pure tank :P

As for the form you filled out, with this much information you've given to me, there really isnt a need, since that form is for a build that is fresh, not rerolled :P

But yeah, you're lacking a biiiiiit of life, you can always fill up the scion life wheel while you level, other then that, tankyness/10 :P

If damage is later on a concern, please let me know, and ill change some things around! :)
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Well yes i want to be a tank but i still want decent dps ... would i really benefit more from dmg conversion than going with pure lightning ? I could go with fortify instead in this case but the physical part would be almost wasted since it wouldnt benefit from -resist and would be so small armor would reduce it sooo much ... and dmg conversion would only comvert the actual dmg to lightning leaving me with more stable dmg but less nonetheway no ? Well fortify would enable me to use frenzy charges since the degen would be lowered ... would it make up for the dps loss ? If it really is one ? Or fortify with halcyon to use the inc dmg from the sword ... if i get my hands on a 6l i defenetly could... making the synergy even better ... hummmm questions questions questions
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nomis01 wrote:
Well yes i want to be a tank but i still want decent dps ... would i really benefit more from dmg conversion than going with pure lightning ? I could go with fortify instead in this case but the physical part would be almost wasted since it wouldnt benefit from -resist and would be so small armor would reduce it sooo much ... and dmg conversion would only comvert the actual dmg to lightning leaving me with more stable dmg but less nonetheway no ? Well fortify would enable me to use frenzy charges since the degen would be lowered ... would it make up for the dps loss ? If it really is one ? Or fortify with halcyon to use the inc dmg from the sword ... if i get my hands on a 6l i defenetly could... making the synergy even better ... hummmm questions questions questions


if you focus on physical damage first and foremost then use Physical to Lightning Gem, your DPS will boost incredibly, you wont lose much DPS (you might actually gain it) with fortify, as it has melee physical damage :)

I'm assuming by degen, you mean from Blood Rage (which would proc the frenzy charges), then no, the degen will still be the same, but the benefit (defence wise) from fortify will be increased armour = more physical mitigation

What do you mean with Halcyon? Do you mean Hyaon's? if so, i would probably recommend against using that, as i have explained earlier :P

So, basically... a quick little tip for you when you theorycraft

For Phys > Elemental conversion skills (Ice Crash for cold, Molten Strike for Fire, and Well, Lightning Strike for Lightning) Physical damage is huge, its converting FROM that.

In your case, with Physical to Lightning, you're not only converting, but you're adding damage from the secondary mod on the gem, which already is a huge plus (and i sincerely hope GGG implements Physical to Cold and Physical to Fire (and Chaos even since thats a thing now) and it synergizes perfectly...

As for the 6L, this build is possible with a 5L even man, just do this

Lightning Strike, LMP, Physical to Lightning, Fortify, Lightning Penetration

Focus on getting a 20Q Lightning strike for more pierce chance (i think its 60% pierce chance at 20%)

hope this helps :)
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Yeah. I meant the sword. Ill take your word on physical and try to find a huge dps non crit one and go for the conversion route ... will start it when u get my hands on the needed rares and let you know how it goes.

Since the lightning sword is cheap i probably will test both options and ill let you know how it goesthx for the heads up.
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OxYmaRRoW wrote:
Hey again, I'm trying to make a WS crit build for duelist using soul taker and a crit dagger, already make the tree but I'm thinking that the build isn't going to work very well in the end game because of the low HP.



What do you think? Feel free to change the tree.


mostly fixed ;)

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https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwQAuR0V7Irw6UbKkITZR369NmVNvqdgQWNwEdVXl0Mx2sFM_7_VwzOE73TtTipTu1oaYSEFLVuvRJ6uUBpVeu8NjSFg_ms26ECgh3YV9vzFwYsTyQHn459iee4OgUFlpxRNSn0ABqOK73o17_xL-WMj9tN-Ou28n1T-TZJ9dRiRveb-uj7PUUeNv-dUBbXUIyT9wuzo1jBx_960xSLqmybdqAzyYqzDOjIBS3ily2yMKjgki7IZOkKdqg-rz3oWv2HrJpV6U2HiVUuMNonTcFIqC13yZ6C3F4Dh4l6NfQOHlWY=


I liked the changes, but do you think it's atziri's/uber viable?
Last edited by OxYmaRRoW on Jan 7, 2016, 3:31:31 PM
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OxYmaRRoW wrote:
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OxYmaRRoW wrote:
Hey again, I'm trying to make a WS crit build for duelist using soul taker and a crit dagger, already make the tree but I'm thinking that the build isn't going to work very well in the end game because of the low HP.



What do you think? Feel free to change the tree.


mostly fixed ;)

Spoiler
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwQAuR0V7Irw6UbKkITZR369NmVNvqdgQWNwEdVXl0Mx2sFM_7_VwzOE73TtTipTu1oaYSEFLVuvRJ6uUBpVeu8NjSFg_ms26ECgh3YV9vzFwYsTyQHn459iee4OgUFlpxRNSn0ABqOK73o17_xL-WMj9tN-Ou28n1T-TZJ9dRiRveb-uj7PUUeNv-dUBbXUIyT9wuzo1jBx_960xSLqmybdqAzyYqzDOjIBS3ily2yMKjgki7IZOkKdqg-rz3oWv2HrJpV6U2HiVUuMNonTcFIqC13yZ6C3F4Dh4l6NfQOHlWY=


I liked the changes, but do you think it's atziri's/uber viable?


It might be :P its always worth to try and find out though
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OxYmaRRoW wrote:


I liked the changes, but do you think it's atziri's/uber viable?


It might be :P its always worth to try and find out though


One more thing, I'm running something similar on a templar, resolute technique and iron reflexes, I have no problem with staying alive using arctic armour and molten shell, but from what I see they aren't very good with evasion builds, should I drop the nodes of acrobatics etc and put on iron reflex and unwavering stance or use different gems for defense?
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OxYmaRRoW wrote:
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OxYmaRRoW wrote:


I liked the changes, but do you think it's atziri's/uber viable?


It might be :P its always worth to try and find out though


One more thing, I'm running something similar on a templar, resolute technique and iron reflexes, I have no problem with staying alive using arctic armour and molten shell, but from what I see they aren't very good with evasion builds, should I drop the nodes of acrobatics etc and put on iron reflex and unwavering stance or use different gems for defense?


In my opinion, its best to go Iron Reflexes (Armour based), Evasion is terribly shit these days.
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