So played PoE for a while then played d3... My reaction...

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FadeXF wrote:

Like I've said: you can strap any 2-3 gems together and have a terrible tree, or in MY case have an alt gear set with enough stats at various levels that you don't even NEED to put a single point in your skill tree and STILL beat the game.

wat?

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CanHasPants wrote:

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FadeXF wrote:

Like I've said: you can strap any 2-3 gems together and have a terrible tree, or in MY case have an alt gear set with enough stats at various levels that you don't even NEED to put a single point in your skill tree and STILL beat the game.

wat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjNnwPIoAnA

ya.... anyways trying to argue that d3 has more build diversity (really you have to argue if d3 even has builds) kinda limits you to saying ridiculous things like that.

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Spysong192 wrote:

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k1rage wrote:

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solwitch wrote:

The console version of d3 is more fitting; that game does not deserve to be on PC like PoE. It's an insult to our intelligence.

Solwitch is wiser that most folks give him credit for

There are three rules:
1. no bright light
2. don't get him wet
3. never feed him after midnight


You broke rule 3. History will have a special place for you Sir.

did i just turn solwitch into a gremlin?

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Splift wrote:

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CanHasPants wrote:

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FadeXF wrote:

Like I've said: you can strap any 2-3 gems together and have a terrible tree, or in MY case have an alt gear set with enough stats at various levels that you don't even NEED to put a single point in your skill tree and STILL beat the game.

wat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjNnwPIoAnA

ya.... anyways trying to argue that d3 has more build diversity (really you have to argue if d3 even has builds) kinda limits you to saying ridiculous things like that.

This is the final level 31 to level 70+ set:


Within the items themselves house enough stats needed to use the gear and gems.

What this means is that you don't have to alot a single solitary stat point to your skill tree. Period. And you can beat this game. AKA "make it to mapping" - meaning your skill tree doesn't matter one little iota in terms of getting a character to mapping. Witch - Shadow - Marauder - anything at all. It doesn't matter.

The decisions you make playing the current acts mean absolutely nothing... only that you can royal poop yourself in the pooper and not even know that your build is junk... because literally and figuratively the decisions you make are completely meaningless to beat the game.

The problem with your reasoning is that requires gear from the beginning, and that you are skipping the build process anyway. No one does that, specially at the beginning of a league without major flipping.

Also, there are as many endgame builds in Diablo 3 as endgame sets.

Disagree. It's just not practical in many situations to count. Maybe when you reroll in hardcore, or if you flip that's it. You don't even consider the endgame range, so it's not fair. And a lot of build enabling things happen in the tree already (like keystones and notables).
PoE at least has a part of your power in the tree (stats and effects). In D3 you have nothing.

PS: the whole "item set=build" thing in D3 is mostly based in the things I read in the forums, so I guess I'll take your word. Still, you are pretty much forced to use some specific items by design, and that's bad.

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FadeXF wrote:

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NeroNoah wrote:

Disagree. It's just not practical in many situations to count. Maybe when you reroll in hardcore, or if you flip that's it. You don't even consider the endgame range, so it's not fair. And a lot of build enabling things happen in the tree already (like keystones and notables).

PS: the whole "item set=build" thing in D3 is mostly based in the things I read in the forums, so I guess I'll take your word. Still, you are pretty much forced to use some specific items by design, and that's bad.

No practical? Not understanding that. What I have shown is that you can use gear specifically to level any character, any skill tree (or none at all) - and make it through all acts in this game straight into mapping which I consider "end game" - so lets label that level 75.

Did I not do that? Not sure what more you need for proof.


Seems kind of ludicrous to disagree when you have hard - actual - proof siting there right in your face.

Decent troll but zero jimmies rustled. Or maybe I missed the point, what are you trying to prove?

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FadeXF wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

Decent troll but zero jimmies rustled. Or maybe I missed the point, what are you trying to prove?

What I have shown is that you can use gear specifically to level any character, any skill tree (or none at all) - and make it through all acts in this game straight into mapping which I consider "end game" - so lets label that level 75.

Guess I have to copy paste because peeps can't read, hey trollderion?

Ok but what's the point of showing that very specific build that was made exactly for what you're 'proving'? I don't get it lel

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FadeXF wrote:

It's not like I put a lot of time and effort into it. I've had that sitting around for a long time - I didn't go out of my way here to lay it out.

Or maybe this is just something that is only dawning on some of you just now? Oh SHIT - Fade is right... I can take any build, any character, and not invest A SINGLE SKILL POINT IN THE SKILL TREE and still make it to mapping using a specific stats/resist laden set of equipment... and by the way: it's nothing special.

Ok, facebreakers... ohhhh la la - this is just a first pass. I'm sure you can use tornado build or something else. This just happened to be what I went with. Someone can and has min maxed this concept. I'm just a casual scrub no one.

Sorry to troll on your parade? I guess that's what we call people who make legitimate, logical, proven points nowadays. I guess it's easier to call people names than to mix it up logically, right Xav?

Any build? You showed one specific build that perfectly fits what you want to accomplish (that's what Facebreakers were made for after all). Yes you could pack a thousand portals in your inventory and very slowly cheese your way through the game with 'any build'. But again, what exactly does that prove? I still don't see your point.

I'd like to point out that builds in D3 and PoE are fundamentally different beasts.

In PoE you start your build from level 1, with a goal in mind to reach by level 60-70. If you don't have the items for the build, you trade until you get them. You can change your build a little bit (some more than others), but generally speaking the items you find are either useless to your build or useful for your build. If they're useless, you trade for useful items or make a new character that can use them.

In Diablo 3, there really aren't any builds in the lower difficulties. It's basically, "use whatever you want, if it deals damage it's viable".

In higher difficulties there are builds, but they're still so different from the idea of a build in PoE that they're not really comparable. In D3 you don't really have a choice as to what build you are going to play until much later in the endgame. You can't reach 70, and say "Now that X legendary is available, I'll play build X"; for much of the D3 endgame you're just playing with what you have. Everybody wants to play Whirlwind, but if the RNG gods gave you awesome Weapon Throw gear, you go Weapon Throw. If you get some awesome Rend gear later on, you can choose between sticking with your current build or switching to Rend.


People are looking at the strongest builds available for each class and saying "yuck only two builds" coming from the context of PoE (and D2), where you choose one build from level one and play it till the end. In reality there's a much greater variety of builds because any one player from Torment 1 to Greater Rift 40 will have experienced a huge variety if different setups before finally getting the gear needed and resting on one of those two or three "best builds".