Look GGG, another armor thread

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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Ashen_Shugar_IV wrote:

3 items, 0 Passives = >80k armour

Why would I want to be "a proper armour build" when I can achieve true 59.5% physical mitigation with these three items?

Should I include endurance charges? We are talking about Armour. Anyone can get +1 from Merciless Oak (without sacrificing much at all), and another +1 from a belt corruption (much harder, but possible).

Edit: Of course Taste of Hate actually has great synergy with Armour builds, but its still awesome free mitigation for everyone else.

No one who knows what they are doing is going to invest fully into armour without investing in endurance charges, so yes you should include them. The devs are including them when they test stuff and balance the game.

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Ceryneian wrote:

use what the game gives you. Trying to play "pure armor" is like trying to play pure evasion with no Acro.

Exactly, Ceryneian is spot on, you have to look at the game and learn it, not bring preconceptions to the table. In D3 you stack armour + all res + vit to combat virtually everything. Thats because its a game designed to be easy for a 12 year old to understand and play, literally. Here there are layers, armour, endurance, soul, ic, granite flasks, taste of hate, coil, a number of ways to mitigate phys and you are expected to layer multiple different coats of mitigation and of avoidance. You dont go evasion, you go evasion + ondars + acro + phase acro, maybe even a jade too, and maybe a shield with some block, thats you avoidance sorted. Now you use coil on top of all those and the saphire flask + endurance charges + immortal call and you are cursing enfeeble maybe even blinding enemies somehow, and you are stacking life, and leeching, and you have some life on hit, and on kill, and life regen, and elemental resist, and you use resist flasks, and dispel ele effects flask, and dispel curse flask.... Defense is never one thing, its many many things none of which has the power to do nearly enough on their own to see you through hard content.


If armour or evasion or energy shield or dodge or block or endurance was good enough on its own to tank maps the game would be broken, because people who dont come to the game expecting to stack just armour and resist but instead actually look at the game mechanics and learn how to play the mechanics on offer will stack 4 or 5 of those things that all work well enough on their own on top of each other and be brokenly tanky, thats already happening to some extent without them being carry strong mechanics on their own.


Its not a game with a handful of stereotype classes that each do something pure and different in an isolated vacuum, I dont see many good builds sticking to their 1/6 of the tree, everything is a hybrid to some extent. I wouldnt play full armour unless I was aegis + rumis, I wouldnt play pure evasion unless I was coil + taste, thats my personal preferences. Evasion is strong where armour falls down, armour is strong where evasion falls down, I dont understand why so many melee characters look at that situation and think "oh, best to get one or the other instead of getting both".



I can understand why so many of those builds fail and we get posts like this though. Please dont take what I say personally, its not about that, its about our group knowledge as a community, thats what I care about and its why I make these posts despite the fact the last thing I want to do is disagree with anyone or make a post of this size. As a community we have got so many things wrong over time, overlooked so much that was later to be recongnised as crazy good. Instead of having a couple of mechanics like armour and resist we have a ton and that makes it more interesting, more customisable, theres like 20+ defensive options and its about what you have the opportunity to use, what you need, what you sacrifice to get this or that. In D3 you have armour, vit and res making up the vast majority of every characters defense. Oh look my bis quadfecta rare demon hunter amulet that is what I would use for every dh build, and monk build, and its exactly the same as a bis barb amulet if you swap the dex for strength... its just so bad, embrace complexity, options and layering. Armour may be shit on its own, but so is ev and es. You know whats even more shit than those defensive options? Every other defensive option, you always have to layer.