[Discussion] Does bloodrage give lowlife players an unfair advantage over CI/life based builds?

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caboom wrote:

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Malone wrote:

what would be the point to use Shav in that case ? That doesnt make sense.

shavs will still be a broken as f*** unique due to its ability to alow you to get all the low life bonus without any of its drawbacks.

Shav's is broken as fcuk ? No way :D:D:D

agree

no more LL ias for Blood rage anymore !!

The ias should stay as it is an key mechanic for ll builds, however it should not be available for FREE. BR should also deal chaos dmg based on your max ES (similar to RF).

bloodrage is fine as it is, everyone who qq about low life beeing op forgot the fact that shavs alone is more expensiv than any life build chest(not talking about mirrors here) and an expensiv build has to be better than a cheap one

and if u think br is op just use it yourself... there are only 2 options in every game play whats most efficient then you cant play the way u like (in most cases) or play the way u like then u cant be most efficient, deal with it ;)

You need one of the most rare items within the game to run low life.

OFC IT SHOULD HAVE ADVANTAGES LIKE THIS!


Stop this shitstorm about things you can never afford, quit beeing jelly and SELL something instead of sit along here all day.

Anyone saying LL should have such advantages are silly. Why do you think RF deals damage based on Life AND ES.

Blood Rage should do the same, dealing chaos damage based on Life AND ES. Then they may keep the ias.

Jealousy between the players are huge my god It's ridiculous and I'd make fun of them too but that's too easy and not creative.

There's a reason why blood rage hasn't been nerfed yet BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT; It's been fucking years and they haven't touched it.

Deal with it.

Meh. I haven't liked Blood Rage since chaos resistance became a thing. If you're a proper life build without resists it wrecks you, if you have resistances then it has no drawback at all. Used to be an awesome risk / reward skill, just like RF used to be. Now it's just another free buff.

Don't think it needs to be nerfed though. Just remove chaos resists except on uniques ^-^

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CanHasPants wrote:

Meh. I haven't liked Blood Rage since chaos resistance became a thing. If you're a proper life build without resists it wrecks you, if you have resistances then it has no drawback at all. Used to be an awesome risk / reward skill, just like RF used to be. Now it's just another free buff.

Don't think it needs to be nerfed though. Just remove chaos resists except on uniques ^-^

Lowlife+high ES Shavs builds dont even need resist at all. That is the problem. Resist is good imo, just make the damage scale based on ES+life just like RF.

Let's assume you have a L21/Q20 Bloodrage

that gives you 55% attack speed for LL.


Synergy.
1. You enable bloodrage it by going lowlife.
2. You use 20/23 bloodmagic to give an additional 18% attack speed.
3. You use enhance lvl 4 giving you 24% quality translating to 18% attack speed.
4. You use the inner force passive node and Athleticism to give you 26% effect of buffs, granting you (55 + 18 + 18) X 1.26 = 114.66% attack speed.
5. If you go low life, you use shavs period, 90% of your passives are niche, centered around grabbing keystones, es, capping str/dex/int requirements and aura nodes for synergy. There's little room to grab dps nodes. Even so, you have to compete with crit nodes.

It seems like bloodrage is the culprit alone that is ez op win stuff but it is really made up of synergistic elements and top level gems to make it work.

Cost of Aquiring
1. Enhance needs tons more XP to level up than regular gems. When you corrupt it to a successful level 4, many other enhance gems have failed. The cost of one is between 40-48ex.
2. You need to max out gems.
3. Your character has to be high level enough.
4. You pay expensive gears for the premium in exchange of lowlife. That's why LL is expensive because like it or not, people are gonna min-max all day and its nature for people wanting to gravitate towards the strongest. Well, in this case LL.
5. Need to allocate 3 gem slots.
6. Everybody likes their build to be fast, furious and powerful. Speed is also related to your leech rate and directly survival. Are there any slow builds around that is thriving?? Let's not be deluded.
7. There are still powerful new uniques, skills, mechanics to be introduced which probably make sense in the later acts/expansions.



Bloodrage degen is nothing? Some map mods worsen the degen.
let's see common ways to counteract.
- Stacking chaos res or flasking. (flasking not always efficient)
- Zeal's Oath + Life regen / Shav's ring
- If vaal pact, leeching and moving fast constantly
- Manually removing bloodrage gem
- Acuity's leeech and maybe life regen
- Vaal Discipline

Well, not every build have the options available above. They can be counteracted but in some ways they can still be annoying. while bloodrage is active.. e.g. desecrate mod, vulnerability curse, hunting around for last 10 enemies around, you are using vaal pact, no life/es regen. Build doesn't utilize shavs ring etc.


Don't mislead the GGG devs who will read it. :(

If so, maybe there should be better distinctions should you choose one of the routes - life, low life and CI.