[Beyond] K19's CI Crit Ice Spear - Perma Freeze Bosses (10k+ ES)

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SrrL wrote:

I'm using similar build on Rampage, currently 93 lvl. Gear:

Totally endgame viable, I've done -max double overlord piety, -max megaera , temporal chains palace dom and other scary shit. Only avoiding ele reflect, half regen(doable with swapping cold pen to mana leech), no regen and blood magic. Oh, and successfully touched four big red tits over 15 times.

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k19 wrote:

Crit multi is pretty much where damage is scaled off for this build, as assassins mark also multiplys your multiplier by 1.4 at lvl 20.

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Dmillz wrote:

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k19 wrote:

Crit multi is pretty much where damage is scaled off for this build, as assassins mark also multiplys your multiplier by 1.4 at lvl 20.

I agree crit multi >>> cold pen. But also Frostbite/Ele Weakness > Ass Mark.

At all times Ass Mark is a 1.4x damage multiplier.
At minimum Frostbite/Ele Weak is a 1.39x damage multiplier, however against high resist mobs it scales up to much much more than that. Reducing a monsters cold resist from 75% to 36% = 65% damage increase.

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icemltr wrote:

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Dmillz wrote:

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k19 wrote:

Crit multi is pretty much where damage is scaled off for this build, as assassins mark also multiplys your multiplier by 1.4 at lvl 20.

I agree crit multi >>> cold pen. But also Frostbite/Ele Weakness > Ass Mark.

At all times Ass Mark is a 1.4x damage multiplier.
At minimum Frostbite/Ele Weak is a 1.39x damage multiplier, however against high resist mobs it scales up to much much more than that. Reducing a monsters cold resist from 75% to 36% = 65% damage increase.

Don't forget that you can't curse everything, hexproof monsters/maps exist, and curse effectiveness is reduced by 60%-70% for map/act bosses. AFAIK cold pen is not affected by either of those things.

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k19 wrote:

Assassin's mark I mainly run solo for keeping power charges up, if I really need to freeze stuff, I use frostbite.

If i can't freeze bosses with GMP, I use cold pen - so the curse vs cold pen is irrelevant in this case. and meh to hexproof mobs they aren't that common.

I'm not really disagreeing that cold pen is better, It is in alot of cases. But what happens when you get to a boss and you want to swap out GMP? oh a green socket, added cold/culling strike - not even close to the dps of a 20/20 crit multi. and freezing bosses is why I do this build.

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icemltr wrote:

Good point, I don't like having to cast curses in general and like to be more of a jack of all trades type so that's why I always run cold pen. I think it's good to share options/ideas.

On that note, for freezing bosses with 2 greens, theoretically you can swap crit mult in for echo.
Echo gimps freeze time by 10% and it also increases time between crits when you double cast a non crit - how much difference this makes on permafreezing will depend on character stats and boss hp.
Naturally DPS takes a big hit but freeze would be improved.

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icemltr wrote:

No the two greens are added cold - cold pen, then ice spear - faster cast - crit damage. That's the best freeze, for duration and time between crits, for 5L that I can think of; I think +3 empower instead of added cold would be slightly better but that's less realistic.

When do you like to switch in added lightning?