Multiboxers ruin the economy.

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alg0801 wrote:

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POE202 wrote:

Another case of players being jealous of others wealth or gear in a pie based game.

Lazy players are lazy

Not jealous of wealth. I'm saying "wealth" in this game is only achievable through abuse/manipulation of the system outside of playing one game per one player.

-Multiboxing (inflates prices by injecting abnormal amounts of currency into the system)
-Botting (inflates prices by injecting abnormal amounts of currency into the system)
-RMT (caused by botting/multiboxing resulting in inflated prices)
-Viewers of livestreams donating items/currency (this is not a problem as it is a transfer of wealth)

You will not obtain wealth in this game in any reasonable amount of time even if you play it 8 hours per day 7 days per week.

Too bad the premise (in bold) of your argument is total BS.

I haven't fired up my alt account on beyond yet. Thanks for the reminder OP!

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Aim_Deep wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

they cant , not only are the chances of dropping a decent unique that is sellable low but pretty much all of the non atziri unique items have suffered critical deflation.

heck even low end atziri items like the belts are now only sitting at .7 exa to 2 exa.


multiboxing will never ever be a problem in the context of farming act bosses , atziri saw too that.

to the point where most competitive players dont make farming characters , they go directly to a build that can kill uber atziri on the cheap cheap and farm her for huge moneys

what build can beat uber cheap cheap

well it depends on what you would call cheap cheap. but the main one i imagine would be one that largely nullifies her fire damage so probably a rof build using ee + life on hit cyclone

max block, huge life and defense the ususal stuff ,
keep in mind the word cheap changes once you can farm atziri.

pre atziri id consider a build costing around 5 exa to be cheap cheap, after her a 30 exa build is easily obtainable provided you have a decent supply of fragments .

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

they cant , not only are the chances of dropping a decent unique that is sellable low but pretty much all of the non atziri unique items have suffered critical deflation.

heck even low end atziri items like the belts are now only sitting at .7 exa to 2 exa.


multiboxing will never ever be a problem in the context of farming act bosses , atziri saw too that.

to the point where most competitive players dont make farming characters , they go directly to a build that can kill uber atziri on the cheap cheap and farm her for huge moneys

what build can beat uber cheap cheap

well it depends on what you would call cheap cheap. but the main one i imagine would be one that largely nullifies her fire damage so probably a rof build using ee + life on hit cyclone

max block, huge life and defense the ususal stuff ,
keep in mind the word cheap changes once you can farm atziri.

pre atziri id consider a build costing around 5 exa to be cheap cheap, after her a 30 exa build is easily obtainable provided you have a decent supply of fragments .

I hope you realize that items costing 30ex is only considered cheap BECAUSE of multiboxing and the deflated value of currency.

If currency value was not hyper-deflated, you would not be making stacks of exalts on guaranteed unique drops from Atziri. IE you would not get as much value out of your fragments/runs as you do currently. Remember...currency is not just used as currency in this game.

During open/closed beta, THE PINNACLE OF "RARE" items in the game cost around 30ex max. Kaoms. 6L Lioneye. Currency was just as rare as it is today. Now those same items run into the hundreds.




With that said, is dual flame totem viable for Atziri? I am looking for a cheap powerful magic finding build to run.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

well it depends on what you would call cheap cheap. but the main one i imagine would be one that largely nullifies her fire damage so probably a rof build using ee + life on hit cyclone

and i hope you realise that's not going to kill uber

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/982394

take a look here.

As someone who does multi-client farming I can tell you this.

1. Identifying items is a pain in the ass, the rare items DO NOT MATTER for efficiency and thus do not introduce more currency into the game because of it. Even if you did you would only be introducing alts/fuses/jewelery which get eaten up by the system incredibly fast right now. There are very expensive currency sinks for these orbs.

2. Chaos recipe is less than 15 per hour at 45 runs an hour. Rings/amulets ARE still a bottleneck. Chaos is also falling out of favor and this currency is being used less and less. So not iding items and getting alts hurts a lot. Most multi-client farmers cannot even sustain 15 runs per hour let alone 20+ due to incessant iding... so you can gather thats 7-10 which isn't 30... its about 1/2 an ex in chaos an hour max at maximum efficiency and FAR less for most players doing it.

3. The commonality of tier 3 uniques like rat's nest, alpha's howl is the major culprit. After the first month have dropped from 2 ex to 15-20c. This is not because of multi-client farmers but because of the rarity of these items have gone down substantially for the entirety of the game's playerbase.

4. We are subjected to RNG like anyone else, we can get a shavs to drop or we can get the best items of the day being a vaal pyramid map and rumi's flask (happened yesterday to me).

5. You get 10% extra quantity per client and because of the fact that GGG checks for hardware ID interacting with clients you are truly limited to 2 clients per computer. Any player can run 2 clients and get 22-30 rares per run with a culler. You are over exaggerating and whining about something you do not understand.

If you want to spend tons of money per month to get a worth while VPS or off site computer/server rentals then you aren't doing it for multi-client farming you are doing it for botting. GGG has a pretty good anti-botting system as well. Saying that something professional botters do has a direct impact on a game that can for the most part be played self found right now is absolutely silly.

6. As time goes on more currency is introduced into the system. Multi-client farming DOES NOT introduce hundreds of exalts into the system, the inflation of high end items is because of the rarity and the build-changing nature of them. Personally in the past month I've found a whole TWO exalts playing 10 hours a day. ITEMS do not EQUAL currency, they are TRADED for it which are provided by OTHER PLAYERS.


7. MULTIBOXING is not possible in this game without 4-5 separate computers, it picks up on programs like ISBoxer and such and send a redflag for interaction with multiple clients with the same keystroke. These players do get banned.

8. You aren't accounting for the amount of players the game has gained as a whole and the items/currency they find inflating things. Nor supply of items vs demand for them.


All in all... stop spouting bs about things you don't understand. You have no idea what has an influence on the economy of the game you are just throwing darts blindfolded and sticking to your opinions.


If you are all knowing and have a grasp on how the game has changed and its effect on the economy then you have 100+ divines, 500+ regals and thousands and thousands of alts which you are using to roll high end ambushers/harbringer bows right? Because that investment is MUCH better than multi-client farming right now if you get blessed by RNGesus.

As a Multiboxer...you're doing it wrong. Stop farming Dominus. Farm Vaal. Stop IDing your rares. Double your chaos income with unid vendor recipe. Flip those into ~1ex per hour. ilvl60 rares are rarely if ever worth anything.

The power difference between ilvl70 and ilvl75 is far too steep. ilvl70 high damage 1 handers are "200" damage while ilvl75 spikes up to 400~. What do you think you're going to find by iding ilvl60 trash?

Why are you dismissing the +50% IIQ and +240% free IIR you get from your extra clients? Let me guess, you're running 300%IIR and 50% IIQ or more on your culler making that a 540% IIR 100% IIQ drop on boss kill.

FYI, you need 3 PCs to multibox. Just run your clients on laptops. All you need to do is port them into the zone to get their bonuses before killing the boss or running the map. Run your main and Culler on your primary machine. It's not that difficult.

From my perspective I will admit that multiboxing does seemingly introduce an unfair advantage to those of whom do it versus those who choose to play the game normally. At least in terms of currency obtained.

Outside of this I have absolutely zero potential concerns with those of whom choose to do it. If people prefer to play as a party by themselves - so be it. To each their own. Not everyone plays games the same way.

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Genobee wrote:

From my perspective I will admit that multiboxing does seemingly introduce an unfair advantage to those of whom do it versus those who choose to play the game normally. At least in terms of currency obtained.

Outside of this I have absolutely zero potential concerns with those of whom choose to do it. If people prefer to play as a party by themselves - so be it. To each their own. Not everyone plays games the same way.

The problem is that multiboxers split a party's worth of loot with ONE person. They can also utilize a high IIR/IIQ culler, which nobody will run outside of some organized party. True parties are cut throat free for alls for loot so the benefits you get from public party play are nil.

All they have to do is introduce /players 6 into the game for solo play. YES, this would inflate the economy even further, but it would be even as everyone would be doing it.

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alg0801 wrote:

As a Multiboxer...you're doing it wrong. Stop farming Dominus. Farm Vaal. Stop IDing your rares. Double your chaos income with unid vendor recipe. Flip those into ~1ex per hour. ilvl60 rares are rarely if ever worth anything.

The power difference between ilvl70 and ilvl75 is far too steep. ilvl70 high damage 1 handers are "200" damage while ilvl75 spikes up to 400~. What do you think you're going to find by iding ilvl60 trash?

Why are you dismissing the +50% IIQ and +240% free IIR you get from your extra clients? Let me guess, you're running 300%IIR and 50% IIQ or more on your culler making that a 540% IIR 100% IIQ drop on boss kill.

I said that IDing items was pointless for MOST players, but apparently you missed that.

If you can't see why vaal is a poorer choice then I'm not going to go into full details. But you are limited to three high tier uniques from him and lose out on many more that are worth 10c to 7 ex (bringer/hands as two examples). The ONLY thing vaal does is give you a bette chance at shavronne's wrapping and Mjolner but you give up too much for that.

Power difference between ilvl70 and 75 is one mod for physical weapons... the big difference is 70 to 77 where flaring becomes an option on top of tyranical... but you will never really see that combo ever so having the option is like winning the lotto an finding a shavs. You ID items for the alterations mostly, NOT for the fact that they will be good. Good items are less than 1:2000. If you wanna talk about 75+ items then talk about regal recipe too while you are at it because that is 2c to 1 regal right now.

Dismissing rarity when rarity has diminishing returns after 400% total rarity? Yes because you can achieve that with a mediocre rarity set on a culler in a 2 person party that is an option available to EVERYONE pending their computer doesn't run the game on runescape mode. Dismissing quantity? When most people are doing 4 client farming because they don't have 3 computers yes you can dismiss 30% quantity for most people because it only adds approximately 9 items per run.

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alg0801 wrote:

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Genobee wrote:

From my perspective I will admit that multiboxing does seemingly introduce an unfair advantage to those of whom do it versus those who choose to play the game normally. At least in terms of currency obtained.

Outside of this I have absolutely zero potential concerns with those of whom choose to do it. If people prefer to play as a party by themselves - so be it. To each their own. Not everyone plays games the same way.

The problem is that multiboxers split a party's worth of loot with ONE person. They can also utilize a high IIR/IIQ culler, which nobody will run outside of some organized party. True parties are cut throat free for alls for loot so the benefits you get from public party play are nil.

All they have to do is introduce /players 6 into the game for solo play. YES, this would inflate the economy even further, but it would be even as everyone would be doing it.

Some parties and all dominus split groups have the same efficiency as multi-client farming because of the frequency by which you kill the boss equaling the amount of time invested in runs if you do it yourself. The only difference is not having to rely on others not being good at running to him or having your friend on to cull.

What you are saying isn't just against large sums of clients it is even against players who use a culler of their own. Its amusing.


@ your "3 laptop" comment... most people DO NOT have more than two computers (their past build and current), investing in a computer that is capable of running two clients even on runescape mode is 400-600$ per computer, even if they are refurb laptops. The game runs latest series i5 at ~100% cpu usage with two clients because of its inefficiencies in optimization with full graphics and a 2gb graphics card. In runescape mode (absolutely no texture) it is still 70% usage. So if you want to kill laptops left and right be my guest lol.

So saying someone is doing it wrong because they didn't spend more money to get limited extra benefit is laughable.