So i did the first Uber atziri as 2h melee[recorded it], my feedback.

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IlyaK1986 wrote:

There is plenty of stuff GGG doesn't test, but what business odes anyone have of even going with melee 2H in an ARPG? Have those builds ever been good, ever?

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sidtherat wrote:

2h:

no block, pathetic crit (ignoring staves that have their own share of problems - except Hegemony ofc that is straight BiS melee staff)


this sums it up. block is the king of defense in this game. crit is the king of offense - infinite flasks is HUGE! non-crit builds have little chances for 100% uptime of utility flasks in fight like atziri when there are long periods of 1v1.

mandatory keystones wont solve it

what should be done is sadly nerfs - surgeons flask mod-> gone, block rework from 100% mitigation to diminishing returns. no sane person will take 2h over 1h+shield if survival is needed. just because of block. 75% less attack damage, 50%+ less spell damage? why not! (Wings of Entropy - ignored, this unique is broken just because of block it provides.. and while it is technically 2h it really isnt)

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

I watched it just for the music. You're a fuckin' legend, VD.

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mrpetrov wrote:

Well done fella.:)

P.

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VictorDoom wrote:

First off i am positive that this fight is not possible for a 2h char without crit, acuities and kaoms heart.

The whole map is pretty much ridiculous, a blue vaal dude hits for like 6k, you have to stay on immortall call all of the time or else you can get one shot.

The vaals do insane amounts of lightning damage with the lightning balls, and you can not tank them even with a flask, i died at them once

The trio is the easiest since you just have to stay on immotall call all of the time

And atziri is just insane, if i dont use a fire flask the flameblast 1 shots me with almost 9k life, the spears hit for around 3-4k, you need very high movement speed and pretty much need spelldodge.

Video of the run:

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This is my second run ever,the first time i got to her and tped back in with the last tp on her split phase because i clicked in loading screen and it sent me back to lab...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRc2wMeY6NI



Died at the second split phase 2 times, it cuts after the first daeth then restarts when i tp back in, i had to go for a smoke brake and forgot to turn the fraps on again after finishing the second split.

Gear i use for the run[Thanks to everyone who helped me get this stuff]:

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Swaps:

Could not have gotten any of this gear without the great friends who helped me, heres some credits, i hope i didnt forget anyone, all of this took roughly 500 exalts not including the kaoms.

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Petrov, he lent me his legacy kaoms, not many people would do that
Mouze, gave me loads of his standard gear and currency
Yeph, gear, currency and death rush
Turtleken, lending me his high roll steps
Zenthazar and Bladehawk256 for giving me roughly 100-150 exalts in currency and items
Soundee, lots and lots of gear
Null03, lots of gear and some currency
Prianhaz, helped me through most of my time playing poe haha
Iski, loads of advice on the fight and giving me mortal bits

If i forget anyone, i am very sorry, i just woke up

After doing that fight, its pretty obvious that they did not test it enough with 2h melee characters, since most stuff in the game in not balanced around having legacy or mirrored gear, but this fight pretty much requires you have these items, which you cant get in new leagues and which are very hard to get even in parent leagues.

They need to buff these characters, some form of damage mitigation on 2h nodes is needed, not necessarily life but bonus to endurance charge mitigation, armor, evasion, movement speed, max resists maybe.

As the nodes are now there are only some nodes with IPD and life, on mace,axe and swords, there should be a lot more nodes that increase damage with two handed weapons which also give some defensive buffs, can also add Increased phys damage with two handed axe/sword/mace nodes with defensive bonuses.

Basically GGG does not want to add keystones that are completely necesarry if youre playing a character, so a big node that increases defenses while wielding two handed weapons wont be added since its a no brainer, the only way to buff these buids then is to add defensive bonuses to the weapon specific nodes/two hand nodes.

Baiscally 2h builds have nothing to offer at the moment, they dont do as much or higher dps than other builds and are not as tanky or tankier than other builds, the tankyness needs a buff really badly in any case, but the dps could also be improved so they are on par with other characters, i think buffing crit on 2h weapons and adding crit nodes would be a great start.

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VictorDoom wrote:

After doing that fight, its pretty obvious that they did not test it enough with 2h melee characters, since most stuff in the game in not balanced around having legacy or mirrored gear, but this fight pretty much requires you have these items, which you cant get in new leagues and which are very hard to get even in parent leagues.