Another Stash Tab Bundle weekend .... Sigh !!!
" I'm fairly certain that the change was made simply to stimulate the need to buy even more tabs. It was working fine on our end, but on their end, the sales were starting to slow down so they tossed in a mechanic that they thought would keep the tabs sales rolling along. For the most part, it has probably worked. It doesn't anger me, just makes me not want to participate in the tab scheme anymore. Business is business. :) |
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" +1 " Ok, if you buy into the "convenience" feature of not having to move an entire contents of remove-only gear over to an empty normal tab then tell me why GGG RNG picks tabs when you start with regular stash tab and then upgrade regular to premium stash tab bundle. I had that happen to me last year. I had 24 regular tabs at the time, bought a 6 pack premium upgrade, and got a random block of 6 upgraded. Worse thing was that the block of 6 RNG chosen was different in each league. I was playing in 3 leagues and wanted to have Orbs, R, G, B, Rings, and Amulets as my first 6 tabs. I already was keeping that gear in those tabs so if the first 6 had been picked I'd have just changed the name and color and been done. But no, GGG RNG chose 6-11 to upgrade in Standard, 19-24 in Hardcore, and 10-15 in the temp league. That would mean not just moving the premium tabs to the 1 through 6 stash tab positions, but then having to swap all the gear in those 6 premium tabs to a temporary empty tab, then move all my orbs, red/green/blue gems from 7 to 1, 6 to 2, 8 to 3, etc. and finally move the gear back from the temporary tab used to shuffle them round. At about 100 gems each in my RGB tabs that's a hell of a lot of moving stuff around. I finally got a great solution (thank you again Chris) and now all my tabs are premium. So I don't buy into the idea that taking remove-only tabs and converting them to normal tabs is a "convenience" so players won't have to move gear over to an empty tab. That only works if you are always going to upgrade every remove-only tab to a regular tab. The weirdest thing about all this is that back last year when I posted about my upgrade problem I got lots of trolls telling me that it's working as intended and having to move items around like that was normal. This year we get trolls telling me that the converting of tabs is normal so we don't have to move things around. Unfortunately, GGG has no way in hell of knowing which 6 tabs of remove-only gear I want to convert and thus the current RNG method "sucks donkey". Do I want my 1 tab of rare quivers made normal, one of my unique remove-only tabs, no wait...the remove-only helms or belts tab. You see, each and every player will want a different 6 tabs converted so RNG choosing doesn't work. Of course the trolls will just say "convert all your remove-only tabs to normal tabs". Fine, with 69 remove-only tabs and 30 more dumped into Standard League every 3 months you pay for my 69 remove-only tabs to be upgraded and then I'll shut up permanently. Then come the end of the next 3 month temp league I'll get 99 tabs dumped over to Standard League. Well... not quite that bad as I wouldn't use all of them and so empty tabs wouldn't migrate. To think that one little seemingly innocuous change has caused this. DOH!!! Note: As I stated preciously the best solution is for GGG to code a way to allow us to pick the 6 remove-only tabs we want to get converted and end the RNG random picking crap. "You've got to grind, grind, grind at that grindstone..."
Necessity may be the mother of invention, but poor QoP in PoE is the father of frustration. The perfect solution to fix Trade Chat: www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2247070 |
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" I feel that this is a valid reason to make the change they made. It's a bit based on personal experience: A decade ago, my company made customers a promise that increased sales of a specific product that came with permanent, time-unlimited benefits. Now, over ten years later, it's obvious that there were downsides and disadvantages (for us) that we had simply not considered back then. Lack of experience, lack of foresight. We especially didn't anticipate how (some) customers would utilize these permanent benefits in ways that were not desirable for us, but that were perfectly legitimate and not exploitative. In the end, we sold what we sold way too cheap, shouldn't have made the benefits permanent, and we can't go back on our word or even grandfather the previous offer without causing a lot of hassle and complaints. On a purely abstract level, this may be the same situation that happened here: GGG offered permanent remove-only tabs in order to provide incentive for people to play in the temporary leagues and races. This caused people to play more, get attached to the game more, and thus spend more money. They may furthermore have thought that the presence of remove-only tabs may stimulate people to buy more tabs, just to get rid of the slightly annoying RO tabs (long label, items in there can't be re-arranged, etc.). All sound expectations. What they may not have expected is that too many people use the RO tabs for long term storage, and, after a while, even started to deliberately arrange them near the end of the temporary leagues so that they would need no sorting when becoming remove-only, and thus optimize them for long-term storage and trading. This side-stepped the downsides (RO tabs can still be moved to the end of the tabs list) and lowered the perceived pressure to buy more tabs. Add to that the possible issues with database bloat and unlimited free accounts, and you have a "situation". It all kind of backfired. I'm just speculating here, obviously. GGG's solution (if it is a, or their, solution at all, and we are not completely off the mark here) is a relatively gentle compromise. It provides motivation to purchase tabs (not for you, but probably for others), but doesn't require them to change how remove-only tabs work. It provides just enough inconvenience to trigger sales without risking a huge uproar. The only possible criticism I see here is that they don't just outright say this and explain it, but I would be a hypocrite if I said that I can't understand that. The more they talk about it, the more negative attention it draws. Personally, I spent an evening cleaning out three leagues worth of remove-only tabs, then another evening sorting through gems, keeping only three of each unleveled/non-quality one. Wasn't fun, but now the clutter is gone and I bought three bundles yesterday. I don't have nearly as many tabs as you, but I'm at 70 now! (And zero remove-only ones!) | |
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That's how I see it also.
It's interesting to note that I did the exact thing you said as the last 2 leagues started to draw to a close. I compressed and organized my league tabs, so that when they arrived in the permanent leagues, I wouldn't have to do any further organizing. The discovery of the *new stash tab mechanic was ironically the very thing that prompted me to organize in such a way as to never want/need to purchase any more tabs! In the words of James T. Kirk: Weird, or what? :D |
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Hear, hear.
The players should not need to pay extra just to have their items displaced. |
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