I've been loving Rampage until I started running with MFers, and seeing how broken MFing still is.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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Swagtrain wrote:

Why are the richest people on all the leagues non magic finders though

Flipping

The only way to get high tier items in a reasonable amount of time is be a trade tycoon, or RMT.

There is no other way to become rich, as a non-MF player but this so it's the only explanation.

What's difference between I_NO and Skyforth? One is an MF master playing 12 hours a day and the other well... flips? RMT's? Who knows what he does but he does it the same amount of time of I_NO

Flipper and MF'ing I'd say flipper wins by far

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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Swagtrain wrote:

Why are the richest people on all the leagues non magic finders though

Flipping

The only way to get high tier items in a reasonable amount of time is be a trade tycoon, or RMT.

There is no other way to become rich, as a non-MF player but this so it's the only explanation.

Your post is completely false and off base. I currently have over 25 exalts in rampage. Do I MF? No, clearspeed is what matters most. All my profits came from making a simple shop thread and the two chaos recipe. I've farmed Atziri, got a few lucky drops, sold many gems and sold many many items for 1-3 chaos.

It's actually quite easy to make a sizable profit by opening a shop and selling many things at cheap prices. The majority of well off players play exactly like that. The so called flippers are a tiny tiny amount of players even among hardcore players and don't always succeed.

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kasub wrote:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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Swagtrain wrote:

Why are the richest people on all the leagues non magic finders though

Flipping

The only way to get high tier items in a reasonable amount of time is be a trade tycoon, or RMT.

There is no other way to become rich, as a non-MF player but this so it's the only explanation.

Your post is completely false and off base. I currently have over 25 exalts in rampage. Do I MF? No, clearspeed is what matters most. All my profits came from making a simple shop thread and the two chaos recipe. I've farmed Atziri, got a few lucky drops, sold many gems and sold many many items for 1-3 chaos.

It's actually quite easy to make a sizable profit by opening a shop and selling many things at cheap prices. The majority of well off players play exactly like that. The so called flippers are a tiny tiny amount of players even among hardcore players and don't always succeed.

oooooh
25 exalts!
Your wealth isn't on the level I was referring to. It will take you months to get the highest tier items playing the game "normally"
I don't think you realize how rich some players are. And it aint from chaos recipe.

Didn't realize you meant the absolute best items in the league when you said high tier.

Anyways people who reach level 95+ get extremely rich by simply playing a lot. The amount of maps done is not something most can relate to. Getting hightier uniques throughout the league is the norm with that amount of playtime and high clearspeed(result of strong builds at 95+).

MFing is good for consistent profit and boss runs are a legit way of making currency. I personally find bossruns mindnumbing after a certain point and simply playing through maps usually ends up with me playing more which makes up for the disparity in drops. Maps also get high quantity with their own rolls and of course give XP.

I personally have found all my best uniques from maps so I'm not really big on MF boss runs in the first place. As for MFing in maps solo.. it's not really that good due to the loss of clearspeed(and probably flexibility with mapmods).

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kasub wrote:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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Swagtrain wrote:

Why are the richest people on all the leagues non magic finders though

Flipping

The only way to get high tier items in a reasonable amount of time is be a trade tycoon, or RMT.

There is no other way to become rich, as a non-MF player but this so it's the only explanation.

Your post is completely false and off base. I currently have over 25 exalts in rampage. Do I MF? No, clearspeed is what matters most. All my profits came from making a simple shop thread and the two chaos recipe. I've farmed Atziri, got a few lucky drops, sold many gems and sold many many items for 1-3 chaos.

It's actually quite easy to make a sizable profit by opening a shop and selling many things at cheap prices. The majority of well off players play exactly like that. The so called flippers are a tiny tiny amount of players even among hardcore players and don't always succeed.

I have to agree to a point, but simply put, key to easy simple success - procurement - buyout tabs with incremental chaos buyouts (i.e. 1c/3c/5c/10c etc). Don't try to be greedy and squeeze out an extra chaos or two on a good item that is good yes, but others have similar models of at competetive prices. You want to be competitive in all facets, market/shop, and maps/farming. Fast clear speed, recipe tabs, knowledge of worth, and a shop thread with competitive buyouts, and you will have wealth in no time.

I'm now level 81... I've bought a few high end items since I made this thread, and have a 83% andvarius and 48% aurseize among other things, like my 10% rats nest. I also have 80% IIR cull on weapon swap.

Overall my IIR is 170% (250% on swap cull) solo without losing too much DPS, I clear 74 maps still one shotting white mobs with split arrow + chain and one shotting bosses with puncture. I don't time my clears but it takes maybe 3 minutes to full clear a 72-75 map if I go full speed without picking up the non-essentials such as chromes/rares. I'm currently level 81.

I'm going to personally test how much I can gain and compare it with what I got the rest of the time in the league.

On my first character I ran with 150% IIR and my drops increased substantially.

My main problem with switching to the MF is that it isn't fun. It's not fun losing 3k dps on my split arrow, it's not substantial... but it's not fun losing a chunk of my DPS.

It's also a necessity, I haven't found much (1 ex and maligaro's virtuosity) since I switched from my first character that had 150% IIR. This is my 4th character, 3rd character over level 80, to give you an idea of how much I played. I got quite a bit on my first character just from 150% IIR (Andvarius which sold for 5 ex, Pledge of Hands which sold for 6 ex, Rathpith that sold for 3 ex, 3 tabulas, and a few more).

I'm sure a lot of it is RNG (you know what I mean), but, I just really hate how MF is that beneficial. If MF was cut down to 1/3rd on every piece it would be balanced IMO. Even halved it would be stupidly overpowered.

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kasub wrote:

I personally have found all my best uniques from maps so I'm not really big on MF boss runs in the first place. As for MFing in maps solo.. it's not really that good due to the loss of clearspeed(and probably flexibility with mapmods).

I hate quest boss runs too. Too boring & repetitive. 1998 vintage gameplay.

In Rampage I've found a good balance between solo clear speed / DPS and MF (around 200 IIR curently), so I grind maps, which is the most fun part of PoE anyway. I could "earn" more by mind-numbingly rushing Dominus, but I'm not playing that game.

I had some GG drops in maps, with only about 50 - 80 IIR:

I suggest stop being obsessed to farm items at any cost. Especially when you dont enjoy making Magic Find character or do automatic boss runs. Even with high IIR u wont be able to grind top items very fast. Maybe you will have better unique drops but the best items are yellow rares which are hard to get because thats how POE is. Best items are modified by crafting too(unfortunately u need to use currency on it...chaos orbs, exalts, eternals, divine).

Farming with group is of course more efficient but it has some drawbacks. Tons of desyncs and absolutely chaos on screen when u have 3-4 people in party. Good to have one friend who play POE and make maps with him.

Try to find other goals than grinding. Make 4-5 characters to beat all maps and beat atziri or die trying to beat her:)

All my characters have 30-60 IIR which gives me enough to find uniques per 2-3 maps. My glascial cascade witch exile have 130IIR. She gives me unique per 1-2 maps. Two days ago I found kaoms chest armor in 68map worth 30 exalts.

I would uninstall POE if I had to play typical magic find character like aurabot or flame/searing bond totems.

how can a mfer actually cull something if ppl 1 shot everything?

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danisonxtc wrote:

how can a mfer actually cull something if ppl 1 shot everything?

hence why group play has been suffering greatly this league.

everyone is going crit which has way more dps than other builds have, cullers basically are there for bosses ,

but then again crit does so much damage that you can afford a dead weight in your group dps wise.