How are players with default stash tabs supposed to complete "Own these unique items" challenge?

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CliveHowlitzer wrote:

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SlixSC wrote:

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CliveHowlitzer wrote:

When you factor in mules, you have 96 free stash tabs on an account. That is more than enough tabs to complete any and all challenges. What is the issue? Outside of people grasping at straws to try and justify that selling stash tabs are selling power(It isn't.)

Actually, you don't. Mules don't have a seperate stash. But it's still *somewhere around 15 I would guess, which is plenty. For alt-characters you can always use alt-accounts. Less convenient, but it does the job well enough.

Yeah I don't know where my brain went for a second there.

You're just shooting for the stars man, while I'm sitting here supposedly hoarding stuff.

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grant_m wrote:

Anyone having enough free time in their lives to pursue the 8 of 8 challenges obviously also has the spare time to pursue a part time IRL job.

Become a part of a real economy.

Everyone complains that Path of Exile is Path of Economy, wait until they play real life. They will really have some complaints then. What a shit show.

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grant_m wrote:

Anyone having enough free time in their lives to pursue the 8 of 8 challenges obviously also has the spare time to pursue a part time IRL job.

Become a part of a real economy.

Let's not say stupid shit like this now. You don't know enough about people's live circumstances in order to make judgement like the one above. Let's rather focus on the (ludicrous) proposition at hand and not attack people personally.

Thanks.

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CliveHowlitzer wrote:

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grant_m wrote:

Anyone having enough free time in their lives to pursue the 8 of 8 challenges obviously also has the spare time to pursue a part time IRL job.

Become a part of a real economy.

Everyone complains that Path of Exile is Path of Economy, wait until they play real life. They will really have some complaints then. What a shit show.

Again, let's not go down this road. There is no point in making things personal when arguing against a proposition that is as nonsensical as this one. It only makes your own position seem more emotional and less rational.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

And 2 minutes x 1,000,000 times = 2,000,000 minutes. Your point?

I do a lot of trading. 2 minutes here and there, and time starts adding up pretty damn quickly.

I currently have 29 premium tabs. If I didn't have those 25 extra stash tabs, I couldn't imagine logging on/off constantly to access mules for items. It would drive anyone insane.

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rrtson wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

And 2 minutes x 1,000,000 times = 2,000,000 minutes. Your point?

I do a lot of trading. 2 minutes here and there, and time starts adding up pretty damn quickly.

I currently have 29 premium tabs. If I didn't have those 25 extra stash tabs, I couldn't imagine logging on/off constantly to access mules for items. It would drive anyone insane.

And I have 50 tabs and I never used more than 3 tabs for trading, even though I ran a pretty active shop around a year ago (hell, I'm not even using half of my tabs, because I only keep stuff that's worth alot). But alright, I won't tell you what your personal experience is, but I just find it hard to believe that someone has 25 stash tabs full of items that are constantly circulating in trades. I'm almost positive in asserting that realistically you are probably only using 3 or 4 of them rather actively.

But here is the deal, if you really want to prove all of us wrong. Record a 1 hour long video of you trading and if you are really actively making use of that many stash tabs I'll take back what I said, at least to the extent that I could see how using mules would be annoying. I still don't think there is any moral dimension to asking people to pay for stash tabs though.

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grant_m wrote:

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CliveHowlitzer wrote:

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grant_m wrote:

Anyone having enough free time in their lives to pursue the 8 of 8 challenges obviously also has the spare time to pursue a part time IRL job.

Become a part of a real economy.

Everyone complains that Path of Exile is Path of Economy, wait until they play real life. They will really have some complaints then. What a shit show.

Exactly.

It's not a personal attack at all, Slix. It's an observation of fact.

Of what fact?

Let this circle jerk thread die already.

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SlixSC wrote:

And I have 50 tabs and I never used more than 3 tabs for trading, even though I ran a pretty active shop around a year ago (hell, I'm not even using half of my tabs, because I only keep stuff that's worth alot). But alright, I won't tell you what your personal experience is, but I just find it hard to believe that someone has 25 stash tabs full of items that are constantly circulating in trades. I'm almost positive in asserting that realistically you are probably only using 3 or 4 of them rather actively.

But here is the deal, if you really want to prove all of us wrong. Record a 1 hour long video of you trading and if you are really actively making use of that many stash tabs I'll take back what I said, at least to the extent that I could see how using mules would be annoying. I still don't think there is any moral dimension to asking people to pay for stash tabs though.

I am absolutely positive that I use more than 3 or 4 stash tabs "actively" in a regular session of PoE. That includes more than trading. It includes recipe tabs, currency dump tabs, temporarily-unlisted item tabs, map tabs, etc.

And I'm not sure why you need me specifically to make a 1 hour long video. The proof is already in the pudding. Go watch any of the top streamers. They regularly use upwards of 10+, 15+ tabs in a normal streaming session. The argument that "4 tabs is enough" would be believable if some of the top streamers demonstrated such a habit. But the fact is, not a single one of them limit themselves to 4 tabs. It becomes frustratingly annoying when you're farming/trading/crafting/questing all at the same time.

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rrtson wrote:

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SlixSC wrote:

And I have 50 tabs and I never used more than 3 tabs for trading, even though I ran a pretty active shop around a year ago (hell, I'm not even using half of my tabs, because I only keep stuff that's worth alot). But alright, I won't tell you what your personal experience is, but I just find it hard to believe that someone has 25 stash tabs full of items that are constantly circulating in trades. I'm almost positive in asserting that realistically you are probably only using 3 or 4 of them rather actively.

But here is the deal, if you really want to prove all of us wrong. Record a 1 hour long video of you trading and if you are really actively making use of that many stash tabs I'll take back what I said, at least to the extent that I could see how using mules would be annoying. I still don't think there is any moral dimension to asking people to pay for stash tabs though.

I am absolutely positive that I use more than 3 or 4 stash tabs "actively" in a regular session of PoE. That includes more than trading. It includes recipe tabs, currency dump tabs, temporarily-unlisted item tabs, map tabs, etc.

And I'm not sure why you need me specifically to make a 1 hour long video. The proof is already in the pudding. Go watch any of the top streamers. They regularly use upwards of 10+, 15+ tabs in a normal streaming session. The argument that "4 tabs is enough" would be believable if some of the top streamers demonstrated such a habit. But the fact is, not a single one of them limit themselves to 4 tabs. It becomes frustratingly annoying when you're farming/trading/crafting all at the time same.

Right, but I was using 4 tabs and leveled to 89. Sure it is more restrictive, slightly annoying and takes more effort. But what do you realistically expect?

Are you saying stash tabs should be free.. period? Let's keep in mind that GGG need to make money at the end of the day.

I agree that this whole bullshit about "ethical mictrotransactions" is annoying, because stash tabs obviously impact gameplay and I think GGG are overstating their case by calling them "ethical" because I don't think there is a moral dimension to any of this.

But the point is simple, GGG need to make money and stash tabs are a great source of income and given how often there are stash tab sales I don't think they are too expensive.

I honestly think people are taking this way too far. If you are playing the game enough to need extra stash tabs I think it's only fair that you pay GGG 20 (or whatever) bucks for a few extra stash tabs. Sure, some people simply won't even be able to afford that and I'm not going to judge them or their life circumstances, but what are the realistic expectations here?

Should we really expect GGG to give players even more free stash tabs and limit their own income for the sake of being more "ethical" (which I personally find bullshit, as I already said.)

Again, you can play the game with 4 stash tabs + mules/alts, I've done it for 89 levels. Yes it was slightly more annoying and restrictive, but if you are unwilling or unable to pay even 20 bucks for this truly great game what do you realistically expect?

GGG isn't a charity and like I said the only thing I can blame them for is that they are still pretending to be by calling their microtransactions "ethical". There isn't a moral dimension to micro-transactions, period.