PATCH 1.2.0 --Life Nerf-- Explained with math

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Fargali wrote:

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BerMalBerIst1 wrote:

A nerf is not a nerf until one is actually struck by the nerf bat

Wait to play the game live before all of your theories prove true/untrue

Will this is math not theories and speculations.

Cold math.

Mostly incomplete math, too many unknown variables :)

tldr: life sucks now all aboard the CI train

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Maximus_X wrote:

tldr: life sucks now all aboard the CI train

Shhh don't let GGG hear, they will nerf CI next

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gorlace616 wrote:

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Maximus_X wrote:

tldr: life sucks now all aboard the CI train

Shhh don't let GGG hear, they will nerf CI next

Then they will just buff life again by a tremendous amount like the last go around. It's pretty silly actually how many times GGG is going back and forth on this shit.

I have 2 infernal blow toons, with this change i'll expect to gain 1 k hp. On the other hand with my life based mains, i'll expect to lose 1.5-2k health depending on the skill tree.


Very disappointed and happy (sorta)

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allbusiness wrote:

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gorlace616 wrote:

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Maximus_X wrote:

tldr: life sucks now all aboard the CI train

Shhh don't let GGG hear, they will nerf CI next

Then they will just buff life again by a tremendous amount like the last go around. It's pretty silly actually how many times GGG is going back and forth on this shit.

Do you really think they are doing that by accident?

Even i dont believe they are that bad :)

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Mannoth wrote:

The point of the patch was to normalize HP values.
Reduce extremes like having 8K hp and having 2K hp players.

It should normalize in the 4-6k range now for everyone except those running legacy kaoms.

Maybe just remove life on gear and tree, lets all have same hp

Cause less choices is better , right?

Did you add life from helping Oak too?

Edit: I made a bad calculation, fixed error below ...

The passives-driven / life-gained-leveling-up part of life totals should be somewhere in the ballpark of 20% higher in 1.2. A little math to show ...


Life gain as level up, pre 1.2:

Life gained per level (Marauder): 8
Median life gained per passive point: 8%


Life gain as level up, as of 1.2:

Life gained per level (Marauder): 12 (+50%)
Median life gained per passive point: 5% (-37.5%)


Adjusting from Pre 1.2 to 1.2 ...

Pre 1.2:

100 life + (100 life * +100% max life) = 200 life


Adjusting for 1.2 median values:
100 life becomes 150 life (+50%)
+100% maximum life becomes +62.5% maximum life (-37.5%)

150 life + (150 life * +62.5% maximum life) = 243 life (rounding down)

... for a net gain of over 20% more life.


Caveat:

This is estimation that implicitly suggests +maximum % life and flat life are co-equal in determining final life totals. As "+maximum %" becomes more important, that 20% increase starts to shrink. It doesn't ever hit zero, though, because of the way life and +maximum life percentage were scaled by GGG.


Why are some reporting less life in 1.2 ...

There are 3 main possibilities for why life totals reported here are lower for post 1.2 than they are for 1.2:

1. The interaction between flat life on gear and the lower +maximum % life influences lower overall life totals. If that's the case, then a life boost for gear on items can be made to leave players right about where they are now.

2. Roadways between life nodes might take more passive points to navigate. Counting up the number of life nodes characters can take -- without giving up noticeable amounts of offense / other defense / utility -- would help to resolve this.

3. Players were very good at finding exceptional values on the old tree and they're not quite as good yet on the new tree (perhaps there are also less exceptional values find, other than the Scion life wheel).

The moral of the story: Never attempt math before the morning cup of coffee ...