PATCH 1.2.0 --Life Nerf-- Explained with math

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Krayken wrote:

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Emphasy wrote:

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Peenk wrote:

If that's the case they would remove shitty one hit mechanics, no stat other than life helps against that. If other options were better then people wouldn't stack life lol..

I never ever got one-hitted. Well maybe from the triple-shock stacked Vaal Laser or Touch of God. But really... I would hope that they improve the visualization of these attacks and actually make them Deal Percentage HP-Damage (like 90%), which would result in instant death with any form of damage-amplification, although Vaal should draw a redline shortly before firing so you can avoid it better if he doesn't aim at you.

But those attacks are meant to one-hit people. I don't really understand why GGG makes them so easy to avoid via Block or Topaz-Flasks. The same goes for the Vaal-Smash. Maybe they could do better in telegraphing this attacks, but they should never make them tankable. It's already sad that people just tank Atziris Flameblasts.

Vaal smash is easy to avoid yeah. But try to avoid touch of god when using multistrike with any map mods that increase the boss speed (frenzy charges mod or turbo mod or turbo boss mod). It gets extremely hard to avoid (touch of god animation is already faster than vaal smash and it does all around aoe rather than just aoe in front of the boss). Depending on situation it can be impossible to avoid it when depending on the multistrike timing. All you can do is some hit and run tactic which are still risky because sometimes he uses touch of god even if you just began to attack him a split second ago. Topaz flask can't even save you from touch of god. You need topaz + granite and even with that i managed to get one shot.

But let's say i choose to just avoid these mods for the palace maps. But now with the max res passives nerf i will also want to avoid minus max mods, any of the +ele damage mod, temporal chain mod. How much will it cost to craft a decent IQ on a doable palace map? Like 20 chaos? Solo players needs 90+ IQ on every maps or 70 IQ + pack size mod to have a hope of maintaining a map pool. Of course group play can maintain a map pool easily without needing to craft such high IQ map and they can benefit from much more (and now stronger due to new generosity gems) auras/curses.

I know im derailing the point of this thread i just hope GGG nerf the elemental damage from mobs now that they nerfed max res passives. But if they do any party with a generosity support char will just roflstomp the content (which partys already do at the moment). I really don't get the point of that generosity gem. It is so unnecessary.

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Emphasy wrote:

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Peenk wrote:

If that's the case they would remove shitty one hit mechanics, no stat other than life helps against that. If other options were better then people wouldn't stack life lol..

I never ever got one-hitted. Well maybe from the triple-shock stacked Vaal Laser or Touch of God. But really... I would hope that they improve the visualization of these attacks and actually make them Deal Percentage HP-Damage (like 90%), which would result in instant death with any form of damage-amplification, although Vaal should draw a redline shortly before firing so you can avoid it better if he doesn't aim at you.

But those attacks are meant to one-hit people. I don't really understand why GGG makes them so easy to avoid via Block or Topaz-Flasks. The same goes for the Vaal-Smash. Maybe they could do better in telegraphing this attacks, but they should never make them tankable. It's already sad that people just tank Atziris Flameblasts.

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keyarchan wrote:

One-hit attacks are fine as long as you have a little time to react to them, but those are not the only ones that exist.
I recently ripped in a crematorium map which had no damage mod except power charges every 30s, and that one doesn't really count when thinking about one-hitting since all monsters can crit. The 'Deadly' mod is a different thing since it also add to crit damage.
Looking back I realized I should not have played the boss, I had less than 80% fire res and just under 5k life but I did run a lvl 19 arctic armour which I thought would help. Anyways, a few seconds into the fight, probably just about the time my ruby pot went down, I ran into a fire trap which I hadn't seen drop, it crit, dealing around 90-95% of my life I reckon and then the burning ground + ignite dealt the rest in 1/10 of a second, had absolutely no time to react.

Sure 5k life isn't that much now, but after 1.2 it'll be quite hard to reach more than that and the lack of increased max res and lower aura effective nodes make it so reaching over 80% fire res is only accomplishable with RotP.

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StrangeCloud wrote:

Here is a little math to help people see what the nerf to life nodes on the new skill tree will mean.
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*(after the patch base life gain per level goes from 8 to 12)

Lets say you have a Level 100 character:
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I. Every class starts out with different base Life, but lets stay we're a marauder.
##Total base(flat) life so far: 66

II. and gains +12 per level
1. giving a base life of 1238 at level 100.
a. 66+(99*12)
##Total base(flat) life so far: 1254

III. Strength increases Life, with every +10 Strength node giving +5 Life.
1. your character has 200 strength = +100 life.
##Total base(flat) life so far: 1354

IV. Your wearing end game gear that revolves around getting high Life.
*numbers rounded for easier comprehension.
1. +500 from a Kaom's Heart(body)
2. +100 from helm
3. +100 from gloves
4. +100 from boot
5. +100 from belt
6. +70 from left ring
7. +70 from right ring
8. +70 from amulet

##Total base(flat) life after level, Strength bonus, and Gear : 2464
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So 2464 is the total life your character is working off of.

Now, since there really isn't a way to calculate how much % life nodes are affected when you look at the ENTIRE tree.
@There are many thing to consider such as:

~How many increase % life nodes.
~How much each individual node INCREASED or DECREASED.
~The amount of passive points you need to spend in order to get to those clusters.

So, I'll make this as relevant as possible by calculating the Max Life on the marauder PRE-Patch 1.2.0 and the calculate the Max Life on the Marauder with the new skill tree.

*now in order to make this test as fair and constant as possible I'd only picked up as much Life as possible with complete disregard to other nodes.

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PRE patch 1.2.0 tree Max possible life with Level 100 marauder:
+502% increased maximum life

Taking our base Life:
2068(pre patch 8 life gain per level) * 6.02 = 12449 MAX LIFE

Spoiler

http://pathofpoe.com/passive-breakdown/AAAAAgEBAdwEfgSzBfkLYRQgFE0VIBXwFm8YkRmFGjgabBrbG_oj9iSqJd8nLyj6KU8qTSzpMgEyiTWSNuk6WDrhPfw-zz8nQYdFnUd-Sn1KyE3jUEdRR1PfVbVVxlb6V-JYY1jbWkhfP2BLZU1noGwWbqpyu3TteA15aHqqeu-Cx4PbhNmE74cZh3aI8YzPjX2PRpBVmuCbJpuDna6ezaFtogCjiqQZplenCKcwp4Spbqp_qriyGbXytz64k7nNvJ-95r6KwQTG2M5xz2XPetDQ3Q3jauOf5CLr7uw47g7vDu_w8B_yRfZI-WP56PxL_MX-Cv6P/

POST patch 1.2.0 tree Max possible life with Level 100 Marauder:
+357% increased maximum life

Taking our base Life:
2464 * 4.57 = 11260 MAX LIFE

*Now, 11260 may sound good, but remember all I did was get Increase % life in complete disgard for anything else, so it's probably not a viable build as it as 0 defense, low regen, armor, block, damage etc. This is purely for demonstrating the change on a scale that is easier to understand.

```11260/12449 = 90.4
So, we see there is about a 9-10% reduction in max life when it comes to end game.
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In conclusion Life early and mid game may see some buff due to the increase in base life gain per level up, however end game builds that rely on scaling of % life WILL see a slight reduction of their MAX life pool.


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EDITED: for grammar mistakes.
EDITED2: Math was wrong lol, GGG staff pointed out I was using the same +12 life on both end calculations. Don't burn me at the stake like Mors plz. I fixed it

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Deadpeng wrote:

Now that the game is trying to narrow the gap between the rich and the poor.

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StormHunter wrote:

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Deadpeng wrote:

Now that the game is trying to narrow the gap between the rich and the poor.

The rich will play Es Builds