PATCH 1.2.0 --Life Nerf-- Explained with math

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Mannoth wrote:
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eragon1111 wrote:
To comparsion - 231% es with 140% shield es buff + discipline + aura buff (40%)
1000 from chest
500 from shield
400 from helm
200 from gloves
200 from boots
40 from ring
40 frm ring
70 from belt
50 from neck ( all this s**t is now craftable cheaply)
------------------------------------ bonuses
1200 shield + bonus
450 discipline with buff
2000 rest of gear
------------------------------------ % es
12.000 ES with less then 35 points invested in es + buffs

left with 65 points for DPS...

Lets guess what ill play in next league ;D


Ok and now reasonable:

600-750 chest
300-400 shield
300 helm
100 gloves
100 boots
20-30 ring
20-30 ring
30-60 belt
30-40 amulet

Obviously you will have 12k ES with PERFECT STATS.
It's like saying oh look at my ton of hp with a LEGACY KAOM and 600 str and +100 life on every gear piece.

Or do you think 1k es chests / 500 es shields and 200 es boots/gloves are 2c each?

In ambush 200 es gloves were like 5-6 ex easy.


These es items are craftable with new recipes ... and cost 1 alch to 6 chaos each. You only need to find/transmutate good first roll

Also with medicore gear for 2-4 ex you will be able to hit nearly 8-9k es while same cash life build will hit max 3k ;>

ps2. Also you still have 65 points to spend on other s**t then life.
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Last edited by eragon1111#0889 on Aug 14, 2014, 5:57:14 PM
well at least i can make my first CI char now. trying to make a viable bow CI build^^
The fact of the matter is, does this make the game outright unplayable? Is it impossible to survive running life now? Hell, is it even difficult?

You don't know that. This is the one factor that's important. Not stuffy numbers, not guesses - educated or otherwise.

Just because the numbers aren't as high doesn't mean it's a death sentence.
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RogueMage wrote:
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StrangeCloud wrote:

IV. Your wearing end game gear that revolves around getting high Life.
*numbers rounded for easier comprehension.
1. +500 from a Kaom's Heart(body)
2. +100 from helm
3. +100 from gloves
4. +100 from boot
5. +100 from belt
6. +70 from left ring
7. +70 from right ring
8. +70 from amulet

##Total base(flat) life after level, Strength bonus, and Gear : 2464

That's absolutely ridiculous. So life-based builds are now balanced on Kaom's Heart + max HP on all armor pieces?

What a travesty.


You seem to have some comprehension issues, with less than ideal gear, you will actually see an increase in life for mid tier builds.

The patch increases the base life, which means that the more base life you had, the less of an increase you will see and the other way round for a build that had less base life to begin with. Every lifenode will now also affect your life more, compared to before.

But you can feel negatively affected, if thats your thing.
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Cataca wrote:
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RogueMage wrote:
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StrangeCloud wrote:

IV. Your wearing end game gear that revolves around getting high Life.
*numbers rounded for easier comprehension.
1. +500 from a Kaom's Heart(body)
2. +100 from helm
3. +100 from gloves
4. +100 from boot
5. +100 from belt
6. +70 from left ring
7. +70 from right ring
8. +70 from amulet

##Total base(flat) life after level, Strength bonus, and Gear : 2464

That's absolutely ridiculous. So life-based builds are now balanced on Kaom's Heart + max HP on all armor pieces?

What a travesty.


You seem to have some comprehension issues, with less than ideal gear, you will actually see an increase in life for mid tier builds.

How hard is it to comprehend that the OP's analysis is based on pay2win BiS bullshit?
I've ran a couple of examples myself and it always seems to come up with less life once 1.2.0 hits, or very close. Definitely doesn't look like a buff to life. This is the same shit they pulled in Anarchy/Onslaught. Buffed life per level from 6->8 and nerfed life nodes, leaving us in a stalemate. Later they buffed life nodes and left life per level at 8. Seems like they're making the same exact mistake again.
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eragon1111 wrote:

These es items are craftable with new recipes ... and cost 1 alch to 6 chaos each. You only need to find/transmutate good first roll

Also with medicore gear for 2-4 ex you will be able to hit nearly 8-9k es while same cash life build will hit max 3k ;>

ps2. Also you still have 65 points to spend on other s**t then life.


With 150% life increase with a lvl 80 char you have over 2.5k life now, without any life gear. So no, you won't hit max 3k. With 150% life increase on lvl 80 you need exactly 3 items with over 80 life to break 3k.
Not including str bonus.

So yeah, gz, you hit maybe 8k es while having 0 armor, 0 evasion and 0 dodge. Meanwhile a life build is rocking a Lighting Coil or MoM or Acrobatics+Spell Acrobatics and Evasion and not getting shocked / ignited and chilled all the time.

Do you even know how annoying chill is on CI without Auxium? (which averages 20ex)

CI needs to have a larger buffer, as you cannot use a potion or use advanced mitigation. It has always been like this.

It also has to use that obnoxious amulet or go all the way down left to US.
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Last edited by Mannoth#4185 on Aug 14, 2014, 6:15:04 PM
I was expecting something like

E=MC(fuckyoupatchnotlifeyet)x2

But i was dissapointed.

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Mannoth wrote:
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eragon1111 wrote:

These es items are craftable with new recipes ... and cost 1 alch to 6 chaos each. You only need to find/transmutate good first roll

Also with medicore gear for 2-4 ex you will be able to hit nearly 8-9k es while same cash life build will hit max 3k ;>

ps2. Also you still have 65 points to spend on other s**t then life.


With 150% life increase with a lvl 80 char you have over 2.5k life now, without any life gear. So no, you won't hit max 3k. With 150% life increase on lvl 80 you need exactly 3 items with over 80 life to break 3k.
Not including str bonus.

So yeah, gz, you hit maybe 8k es while having 0 armor, 0 evasion and 0 dodge. Meanwhile a life build is rocking a Lighting Coil or MoM or Acrobatics+Spell Acrobatics and Evasion and not getting shocked / ignited and chilled all the time.

Do you even know how annoying chill is on CI without Auxium? (which averages 20ex)

CI needs to have a larger buffer, as you cannot use a potion or use advanced mitigation. It has always been like this.

It also has to use that obnoxious amulet or go all the way down left to US.


And yes, this pretty much. You can expect people to go CI on the start of the new league, then die in droves and switch back to life. With potions, stuns freezes shocks and burns, CI NEEDS much more base value, people just assume it works the same as life.

problem solved, no life nerf at all
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