Is Shop Too Expensive?

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For sake of discussion here, I have temporarily turned on a forum title (as it's not really anyone's business how much I have spent on this game).

I think the MTX's are too expensive, especially with the lack of MTX management. Until the prices come down and MTX management improves, I'll not buy any. I have bought Stash Tab bundles, but I'm now at the point where I don't need more tabs. Thus, the points I have remaining are going to sit and rot until something changes, which in turn means I have no reason to buy more points.

So there you have it. Now back to the countdown clock for the 1 month league.

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robproctor83 wrote:

yea, lots of games are "free" but they dont charge these kind of prices. Your argument is really pointless, because being free doesn't mean they are justified to charge whatever they wants. With your argument it would be okay if they charged 1,000 per effect because its free.

1) The game isn't "free". The game is free.

2) The cosmetic effects are expensive. This is directly related to their game being completely free. They need enough profit from their mtx sales to be able to pay tens and tens of professional staff, equipment, office, dev tools and profit.

3) There are daily freaking deals that cut the price of items by a significant amount. Again, that is daily. They also do ~monthly promotions where they discount several items in a short amount of time. This deal thing is practically made for people that wouldn't otherwise buy these mtx, people like you and me.

You guys act like this is the only way they make money . . . lol
They are too expensive.

and . . .

5 people buy $20 effect: $100

100 people by $5 effect: $500

Which makes more sense?

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The cheaper they are.. the more people who would buy things. Like OP said it's dumb to pay 100$ + just to get a full set and a pet or something when 90% of games are only 60$.

So the whole " It's free bro, they can make all the prices they want yada yada" Is kind of dumb. They need to make it where more people can and will buy it.

Even the most expensive cosmetics aren't that cool, so it really doesn't justify it.
The last armor set that came out? Awful lol.

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Shmez wrote:

3) There are daily freaking deals that cut the price of items by a significant amount. Again, that is daily. They also do ~monthly promotions where they discount several items in a short amount of time. This deal thing is practically made for people that wouldn't otherwise buy these mtx, people like you and me.

Their "daily deals" are kind of crap too . . lol it might take some points off . If it was a deal why not take something that costs 150 and make it 75 or less even. Not Originally 150! Now only 128!

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Godgivenn wrote:

You guys act like this is the only way they make money . . . lol
They are too expensive

Oh. Tell us how they make money any other way. They grow money on trees in New Zealand? I'm gonna get farming right away.

And your argument that if they are cheaper more people would buy them had completely arbitrary numbers. Are you an actuary? If so please cite your information like real actuaries do. In all reality it seems only a small vocal few actually find them too expensive like you do. In that case it would only generate a slightly higher amount of people buying them at the cost of losing all the money from those who already think they are cheap enough. See what I did there? I applied your same logic to be an argument against your claim.

You don't need cosmetics to play the game. Nor do need to complain about not wanting to support GGG, because that is what they exist for.

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PsionicKitten wrote:

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Godgivenn wrote:

You guys act like this is the only way they make money . . . lol
They are too expensive

Oh. Tell us how they make money any other way. They grow money on trees in New Zealand? I'm gonna get farming right away.

And your argument that if they are cheaper more people would buy them had completely arbitrary numbers. Are you an actuary? If so please cite your information like real actuaries do. In all reality it seems only a small vocal few actually find them too expensive like you do. In that case it would only generate a slightly higher amount of people buying them at the cost of losing all the money from those who already think they are cheap enough. See what I did there? I applied your same logic to be an argument against your claim.

You don't need cosmetics to play the game. Nor do need to complain about not wanting to support GGG, because that is what they exist for.

I'm only one, but I am one of many who do not buy these things mainly due to the price point. Unlike your earlier example of selling things below cost, the only thing they have to make a profit against is the cost of providing the service. In this case, they can adjust the prices however they want without undermining their own profits. I'm not against them making money; in fact, I think lower the prices just a bit (33-50%, depending on the item) would cause many more people to be interested and buy them.

Speaking for myself, I would love to have some of those cool skill effects, but I simply find it too expensive. You don't have to be an actuary to see the logic in it. Higher prices means fewer buyers. That's not even Econ 101--that's basic logic. The "arbitrary" numbers you have seen are only to make the point--not be taken as literal values. As a businessman, I would assume you are intelligent enough to make the distinction for yourself, so please stop trying to straw-man the argument.

Bottom line: Most people who really like this game, do want to support it, but they are not just "donating" their own hard-earned cash. They would like something back (even if only cosmetic) to show for their support. The game is already free. They are not losing anything by not supporting it. Nobody is asking GGG to just give the Shop items away--just reduce the price a bit.

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johnKeys wrote:

Lowering prices = more buyers.
Having discounts and sales = more buyers.
More profit at the end of the day.

And that's pretty much it! No ones said a better argument so far, tho many of the counter arguments said by others are very poor so it wasn't too hard to beat :)

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riddie wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

5 people buy $20 effect: $100

100 people by $5 effect: $500

Which makes more sense?

If someone can honestly afford $5.00 for a video game and not $20.00, then something's wrong. Most games out today cost about 50.00-60.00 brand new, and then every expansion after than is usually around 40.00-50.00. I think even if they reduced the prices down to 5.00, people would still complain that there weren't any .99 cent deals in the shop.

Once again, if you can't honestly afford 20.00 for a bad ass cosmetic that you want, but you can afford 5.00, then save that 5.00 either every week or every month, and within a month-4 months you can purchase that item you want (just the way the game is when you're saving your currency in game to buy that bad ass unique in game!). That's literally the average price of a fast food meal in America...Five bucks.

Also, you can buy a supporter pack. The development team has stated NUMEROUS times that if you can't afford one, they can set up a payment plan (even if it's 5.00 every two weeks) to get 400 points, or pretty much any cool thing you'd ever want in the shop.

Not to mention they just released another supporter pack:

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/960062

which is only $40.00 and on top of getting 400 points, you get a shit ton of other goodies. I fail to see your alls' point when saying prices are too high. If you like the game, at least due it the courtesy of spending 50.00 on it once, and stop trying to be a cheap skate.

It's not a matter of being able to afford 5 dollars over 20 dollars, its the whole point of 'micro'-transactions. I don't really care to pay 10 dollars for a shiny, but I don't mind buying six or seven 3 dollar shinies. Demand doesn't scale linearly along 5-20 dollars like it might along 20-40.

Production costs don't as well however. Those seven $3 micros might have doubled what I paid, but it took 7 micros instead of 2 to get there. While I think some of the effects would pull more cash at a lower price, the current setup, especially with the Daily Deal to give GGG a hint if they overpriced and lets them recoup from it, looks like its doing well.

There is nothing that gets people riled up more here on these forums than questioning shop prices. Lol.

I see it as supporting the developers and the game. Really should make another purchase soon. I like this game a lot and wanna keep supporting them.

Was going to buy alternate skill effect art for flame blast, my fav skill. But there wasn't any added yet last time i checked. Might have to settle for something else.

Oh and please refrain from using that ever popular flavour of the decade comment: If you don't like it don't buy it.
It's old and daft and boring just like the people using it and has been used 1 billion times by now. It's enough.

Let people discuss prices if they want. If this is a topic allowed for discussion i trust the moderators will do their job and filter those type of comments.