Whoever designed Jaws of Agony

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Spysong192 wrote:

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j0zef wrote:

It's a nice niche item, but not anywhere near good. If you're gonna use Bear Trap for most of your damage, this is BiS. But for all other trappers, it's bad. You're just giving up too much with spell and spell crit.

Great artwork though!

Can you show me such a better shield with spell crit spell damage?

Very cool unique, tip of the hat to the supporter who made it happen.

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pickpocket293 wrote:

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Spysong192 wrote:

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j0zef wrote:

It's a nice niche item, but not anywhere near good. If you're gonna use Bear Trap for most of your damage, this is BiS. But for all other trappers, it's bad. You're just giving up too much with spell and spell crit.

Great artwork though!

Can you show me such a better shield with spell crit spell damage?

How is that better? With the unique you can get (much much) higher crit (and not only spell crit). I kinda get that the base spell damage mod on regular rare shield can be higher but in your case for example that isn´t even the case.

Imagine a build that uses a trap with PCoC. Wouldn´t it be like a perpetomobile for power charges? Now imagine you skill just a little power charges and the spell_damage_per_powercharge. Still not as high from spelldamage but way higher in the crit sector while self sustaining the crit chance.

Well that´s what i thought when i looked at it from a theory craft perspective. No clue if that´s the case in the game.

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Spysong192 wrote:

Would only need 2 procs than the crit chance would be higher already not counting building into power charges.

So you're just going to pretend my shield doesn't boost spell trap damage by 80%? While Jaws of Agony boosts non phys traps by ~25%?

Also, Jaws of Agony power charge proc is 15%. You seem to be under the impression that this shield is going to hand you power charges on a silver platter.

I think Jaws of Agony is a good shield for the right build, but you're jerking off to it too much when you don't understand anything.

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Spysong192 wrote:

How is that better? With the unique you can get (much much) higher crit (and not only spell crit). I kinda get that the base spell damage mod on regular rare shield can be higher but in your case for example that isn´t even the case.

Imagine a build that uses a trap with PCoC. Wouldn´t it be like a perpetomobile for power charges? Now imagine you skill just a little power charges and the spell_damage_per_powercharge. Still not as high from spelldamage but way higher in the crit sector while self sustaining the crit chance.

Well that´s what i thought when i looked at it from a theory craft perspective. No clue if that´s the case in the game.

The crit chance for spells on that shield is the highest I could find anywhere. I use it for a crit discharge build I run that deals out fuckloads of damage. You didn't ask for a shield that did what JoA does better, you asked for one with better spell crit/spell damage. And I showed it to you.

only thing i dont like abt that shield is low es

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leighferon wrote:

only thing i dont like abt that shield is low es

You like the useful 24 reflect? I didn't know you exist, but ladies and gentlemen, this is a useless-item-mod fan! :)

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Kenzorz wrote:

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Spysong192 wrote:

Would only need 2 procs than the crit chance would be higher already not counting building into power charges.

So you're just going to pretend my shield doesn't boost spell trap damage by 80%? While Jaws of Agony boosts non phys traps by ~25%?

Also, Jaws of Agony power charge proc is 15%. You seem to be under the impression that this shield is going to hand you power charges on a silver platter.

I think Jaws of Agony is a good shield for the right build, but you're jerking off to it too much when you don't understand anything.

I doesn´t pretend anything. I already mentioned that spell damage as mod on rare shields are higher.

I don´t have the shield to test it but i believe the minimal 15% chance to get a power charge every time you throw a trap (btw does multitrap work with this?) will be sufficient to have max power charges as a trapping build all the time. Or like you said "jerking off to a shield that´s handing me power charges on a silver platter".

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pickpocket293 wrote:

The crit chance for spells on that shield is the highest I could find anywhere. I use it for a crit discharge build I run that deals out fuckloads of damage. You didn't ask for a shield that did what JoA does better, you asked for one with better spell crit/spell damage. And I showed it to you.

It was pretty clear what i meant. Your shield only provide 10% spell damage while JoA offers you a max of 28% trap damage. And the crit chance would be easily topped by just using traps with the shield equipped in my world. So i don´t know why you say your shield is better? Or do you mean because of the ES mods? If yes, you´re right, your shield provides more ES lol

On one hand I really loved the shield concept and how it can make a nice trap build, on the other hand I'm not really feeling like those power charges are really going to cut it...

I decided to try out using traps as soon as I got my jaws of agony, but even while spamming bear trap+fire trap+ conversion trap, it wasn't easy to keep 3 power charges. I believe it will be a lot easier with more traps, faster deployment time and longer power charge duration, but, even so, 15% seems so god damn low !!!


I really wish devs would either let those rolls be separate for multiple traps or increase the chance to 20 or 25% ... getting power charges with it is not reliable now

maybe this is how u use it:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/939392/page/1#p7971272
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