whats the point of VP when acuity exists?

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someone had to beat her to get the gloves...while not using the gloves.

Once they fix snap-shoting do, nope.jpg, at least not in a new 4-month league.

The only reason people where capable of doing her now was because of a 230% increased dps righteous fire snapshot. Remove that snap-shot, and watch them cry when the healing phase starts.

Many a RF will cry once the snapshot fix is in.

You can quote me on that if you like.

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Boem wrote:

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someone had to beat her to get the gloves...while not using the gloves.

Once they fix snap-shoting do, nope.jpg, at least not in a new 4-month league.

The only reason people where capable of doing her now was because of a 230% increased dps righteous fire snapshot. Remove that snap-shot, and watch them cry when the healing phase starts.

Many a RF will cry once the snapshot fix is in.

You can quote me on that if you like.

It's doable as low life spectral throw without gloves and without snapshotting, now that we know the generally required stats to down her. 7K Es to be safe, spam topaz + ruby flask with witch nodes to get 99% resist.

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It's doable as low life spectral throw without gloves and without snapshotting, now that we know the generally required stats to down her. 7K Es to be safe, spam topaz + ruby flask with witch nodes to get 99% resist.

I clearly stated "not in the 4-month league", since you are most likely talking about "fyndel"

Who did snap-shot when he did not have the gloves, and then proceeded to make a video
"look guys no snap shot", using the gloves. . .

Disregarding the fact he is covered in BiS mirrored gear. Good luck with that in a fresh league.

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Boem wrote:

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It's doable as low life spectral throw without gloves and without snapshotting, now that we know the generally required stats to down her. 7K Es to be safe, spam topaz + ruby flask with witch nodes to get 99% resist.

I clearly stated "not in the 4-month league", since you are most likely talking about "fyndel"

Who did snap-shot when he did not have the gloves, and then proceeded to make a video
"look guys no snap shot", using the gloves. . .

Disregarding the fact he is covered in BiS mirrored gear. Good luck with that in a fresh league.

Flubby and iski.

They snapshotted for the first kills but i dont think they do anymore, they have the gloves though. But they dont have stats that are unreachable without snapshotting.

Snapshotting was used mostly because mortal hopes were really fucking rare and expensive. now that prices are more reasonable people don't feel the need to snapshot anymore, that combined with the fact that we know the required stats to kill her and that everyone has had more practice.

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stzbttln wrote:

Asking for this item to be flat out removed is stupid as hell, what do you think would happen to the people that paid hundreds of exalts for them?

umm... nothing?

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item that people have to work hard for

PoE is a game
you shouldn't have to work in game :)

And still the fundamental point is missed.
VP has a point because it works with non-crit builds or builds that just take a moderate amount of crit. Atziri's Acuity is an expensive paperweight to builds that don't take crit. Flameblast and Discharge can easily be built in such as way to explode oneself on a reflect pack without ever critting.

If Atziri's Acuity is overpowered, it's not because it negates the purpose of VP. It'll be because its own stats are too good and helps a ranged dagger crit build that dominates the meta do even better by completely circumventing its own major weakness and allowing it to trivially facetank content while retaining all the advantages of a ranged build.

I wouldn't be surprised if it gets the Shavronne's/Kaom's Heart/Bringer of Rain legacy treatment. It's not that these items didn't have good trade-offs in theory, but that the items had overlarge stats that could be abused by meta-dominant builds that coexisted alongside them.

In this case, those stats are the life and the amount of instant leech not being a smaller percentage.

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silumit wrote:

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stzbttln wrote:

Asking for this item to be flat out removed is stupid as hell, what do you think would happen to the people that paid hundreds of exalts for them?

umm... nothing?

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item that people have to work hard for

PoE is a game
you shouldn't have to work in game :)

actually you should imo, esp if you are playing with over 100,000 other people and you want to 'win' that game. A reward has substantially less meaning if you dont have to put effort into getting it.





the gloves are fine, I dont get what all the but hurt is about. VP needed the nerf to stop it becoming too powerful for virtually all leechers. The way leech doesnt stack is harsh, and vp essentially gets around that by applying it instantly. The gloves have this insanely op version of vaal pact, and thats fine.

Its fine because it doesnt disrupt the skill tree and force everyone to take a path past vaal pact, which would severely hurt build diversity. Its not good for all builds, its niche for crit. It is extremely hard to acquire and things like that are supposed to be op. It involves sacrificing your gloves, some of you may laugh at that but its a lot to drop. A friend gave me Atziris Acuity a few days ago, I tried them out, ya theyre nice. Do I need them? No, Im an 85% crit chance dagger character and there was no issues surviving before I had these gloves. So its a survivability boost? In theory, not in practice. What am I dropping here to use these gloves? 15% attack speed, 200 accuracy, 10 life, 43% resist... nope, not going to happen. I actually have 3 characters using crit daggers and 2 crit spellcasters, none of which I would drop existing gloves for these things. I told my friend he should take them back and in the end we sold them yesterday and he using the orbs to craft an amulet.


Vaal pact was over rated before the nerf, people just used to take it because they had heard the theory, most of them didnt need it and would have been better spending the points elsewhere. Its fine now, so are the gloves.


Whats with this morbid negativity constantly? I know capitalism takes its toll on the soul but come on guys, are you really going to live the rest of your lives just itching to feel outraged and upset about something? Too many people just locked into wanton negativity, permanent glass half empty mindsets. Stop trying so hard to make everything into an apocalypse with poor old you the martyr to the cause in the middle of it all getting shit on. The problem a lot of you have is with how you chose to see the world, not the reality of it.

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Stiglitz_ wrote:

What's the point of CI when Shav's Wrappings exist?

Chaos immunity and more ES? Uncomparable.

Sure but sadly,most of the times(not all but most),low life is a straight up upgrade from CI

I dont agree, Ive never played with a shavs user who I did see rip to something absurdly easy. Last time I heard someone ask what the point of ci was when shavs existed was in a mapping party, the guy was some sort of double striker 6 link shavs low life every aura under the sun. Next map he got clubbed to death by a lvl71 rare rock gollem. Even GGG have said that from their end, if you look at the stats, shavs is a rippy item.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

I dont agree, Ive never played with a shavs user who I did see rip to something absurdly easy. Last time I heard someone ask what the point of ci was when shavs existed was in a mapping party, the guy was some sort of double striker 6 link shavs low life every aura under the sun. Next map he got clubbed to death by a lvl71 rare rock gollem. Even GGG have said that from their end, if you look at the stats, shavs is a rippy item.

I agree that on melee,if you do not snapshot,low life and CI are balanced for the most part.As i stated in another lengthy post,the problem with low life is that it allows you to scale ranged attacks at 10x more damage than bows,while keeping the defenses of a shield,and all the extra defenses from auras.IMO these range attacks should be looked at,rather than low life mechanics themself,or crit in general,or daggers/claws in general

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DeviantLightning wrote:

And still the fundamental point is missed.
VP has a point because it works with non-crit builds or builds that just take a moderate amount of crit. Atziri's Acuity is an expensive paperweight to builds that don't take crit. Flameblast and Discharge can easily be built in such as way to explode oneself on a reflect pack without ever critting.

For those builds (non-crit tanky chars) it's generally better to use BloodSeeker. With VP, you need 2.5 times more leech, than Bloodseeker has, and that is IMPOSSIBLE because Bloodseeker is a claw, claw nodes give +12% leech, and Bloodseeker gives +9% leech itself. So we have 21% leech even without Bloodrage and gear (and in reality, it will be more like 33%). Now explain me, please, how do you intend to beat that leech with VP? And if you want to dedicate your char to DPS, you will have to invest into crit heavily for sure!
As for elemental spells/attacks, Life Leech gem + VP = barely noticeable leech.

So, what do we have there?
For casters/elemental VP is bad because they cant get enough %leech.
For RT/low crit leechtanks BloodSeeker is obviously better.
And for high-crit DPSers Atziri's Acuity is obviously BiS.

Summary:
VP is useless for endgame.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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DeviantLightning wrote:

And still the fundamental point is missed.
VP has a point because it works with non-crit builds or builds that just take a moderate amount of crit. Atziri's Acuity is an expensive paperweight to builds that don't take crit. Flameblast and Discharge can easily be built in such as way to explode oneself on a reflect pack without ever critting.

For those builds (non-crit tanky chars) it's generally better to use BloodSeeker. With VP, you need 2.5 times more leech, than Bloodseeker has, and that is IMPOSSIBLE because Bloodseeker is a claw, claw nodes give +12% leech, and Bloodseeker gives +9% leech itself. So we have 21% leech even without Bloodrage and gear (and in reality, it will be more like 33%). Now explain me, please, how do you intend to beat that leech with VP? And if you want to dedicate your char to DPS, you will have to invest into crit heavily for sure!
As for elemental spells/attacks, Life Leech gem + VP = barely noticeable leech.

So, what do we have there?
For casters/elemental VP is bad because they cant get enough %leech.
For RT/low crit leechtanks BloodSeeker is obviously better.
And for high-crit DPSers Atziri's Acuity is obviously BiS.

Summary:
VP is useless for endgame.

Bloodseeker has middling dps and is a claw.
Meaning that if you want higher dps and are not a claw, it's still not a direct substitute for VP. And you do not need instant leech if you have a high leech total and layered defenses. Reflect can be mitigated and dodged/evaded. Life regen stacks with life leech. And so on.

Bloodseeker is a gimmick. It'll make you feel a lot more comfortable during leveling, but it's nowhere necessary for a leech tank build.

And yes, elemental builds absolutely can get enough leech for VP to counter reflect. Max resists are a thing.

If you want to argue that VP sucks on its own merits, that's one thing. But it's just plain silly to say that any unique is capable of putting the nails in its coffin. Look at the unique's obvious limitations first before you leap to that judgment.