I LIKE PASSIVE SKILL RESETS!

Okay, only read to page 3 ish. here we go.

Full respecs killed part of D3 BECAUSE not every skill is a bland boring new pixel that does the same damn thing. What does this mean? It means there are optimal builds. Everyone starts making a build, the same retarded build as the last guy probably because we all get the same skills in the same order. Now you get to the end and set up all the moves you like. You play for x amount of time and hear about a new build. You try it. Suddenly you kill things 5 times faster.

This is bad for a couple reasons. First reason, it was of NO consequence for you to try this build. You did not figure it out. You did not grow into it. Most importantly, you didn't work for it. There was not a consideration of using a new character slot for a new setup. You were not torn between making a grenade demonhunter from a hungering arrow demon hunter. To top it all off, you were looking for the same exact gear. Stack Dex/vit/all-res/life on hit/life steal/crit chance/crit damage, maybe increase atk speed. Most of those stats are only found on certain items. So you can take your demon hunter with your imaginary perfect bow with really high damage, dex, lifesteal/life on hit/ and crit damage with a socket and it will work exactly the same for your hungering arrow and your grenades. Here it is a little different because you have buffs to cold/fire/whatever. But if you were running pure buffs to mellee/spells it would be much the same for fire and cold.

Now here is the big difference and why PoE will live on better without respecs. In scenerio D3, I can just switch all my moves and see if I like it in under 5 minutes. TADA! I made a new demonhunter. This means 90% of the people jump on the flavor of the month build. No let's look at PoE. Say you want to change that fire witch to a cold witch. Now you have to not only switch over your gear (if you are not running straight up spell buffs) AND you have to either make a new char, or use orbs of regret. That means it is going to take you a significant investment of either loot or time. This means that more characters are made. Replay value is higher, and people are less likely to jump on flavor of the month builds.

The downside to scenario D3 is that most people will never make a new character of the same class, everyone is looking for the same loot, and the skills are going to be watered down until they are basically only graphic changes so the QQ's will stop. Downside to Scenario PoE? Some people feel the need to cookie cutter a build (the people that would do it anyway most likely, so not much of a downside). The other downside is we lose people that have no responsibility for their action, and no forsight. In other words we lose people that are afraid to act and even more afraid of what their actions hold. These people rarely get anywhere and are probably not happy in a game as harsh as this. I like to call these people immature, but I am sure that is generalizing too much.

Personally I would rather have mature people that are willing to make decisions for myself over the sheep. I would rather remake a character and enjoy the journey then switch over in five minutes. I would rather feel my character is MINE rather than knowing anyone else can be just like me in the next few minutes if they like my build. I would rather have a mature audience that knows their actions have real consequences and can own up to their mistakes and either work to fix them (either by hunting/trading for orbs of regret, or rerolling their char). What is the real bennefit of a full respec? Is it that you want it and you want it now? Are you unable to own up to your decisions? Do you have zero forsight and decide this game should be no more difficult than tetris? Or are you that person that will forever stand at the crossroads of life afraid to go down the wrong path, so you will go no further than the person that goes down the wrong path and learns not only that it is the wrong path, but learns why it was and walks away better than he was?

In short... softcore games are that way ---->


TLDR: You are a lazy bastard and have no right to respond to my post that takes no more than a minute or two out of your day.

edit: a few spelling mistakes. I am sure there are others.

Diablo is this way for a number of other reasons as well.

If POE had free resets your above mentioned situation would not happen.
Why?

-You dont have the right gear or skill gems. In D3 all spells/skills are based on weapon damage and therefore good gear worked for every build. In POE its different.

- In D3 there is no synergy between spells at all. There is no impetous to pick spells that synergise. You simply pick the BEST spells that do the most damage in the largest area. In POE i can be a fire/lightning/ice sorc with many many variables. But i cant simply pick freezing pulse and spork because their "OP" and expect to do well. The fact that each element needs specific mods/nodes means if i reset like i would in D3 i would gimp myself.

-Even with free resets the diversity of POE's builds means most people would still be different. As i said, D3 has only 3 instead of 111 passive skill points, and about 2 useful spells per class.


TLDR: What screws over D3 will NOT destroy POE because POE is well designed from the ground up. Free resets destroying D3's gameplay is indicative of a deeper underlying problem.

D3 had a lot of synergy between spells. This doesn't change that gear is still needed in PoE, but you are wrong about no synergy in D3. Look at the critical Mass wizard. Look at the double whirlwind barb. How about the grave injustice / pierce the veil / acid rain WD? There are more than a few moves that synergize really well in D3.

I still say that there would be much less incentive to reroll if there were full respecs. It would also allow people to do a leveling build and a end game build (which was already mentioned). Also, how many reset points and orbs of regret do you find by endgame? More than enough to make minor mistakes fixable. You would have to almost purposely screw yourself over in order to restart. There is actually a post about that somewhere. Where they were asking for people to post their broken builds so that they could found out how much damage there really was... I don't see a full respec helping that at all. Did you misclick? Did you just randomly pick your passives? Did you decide half way through that you didn't want a cold witch and started adding to fire passives? I don't see one or two mistakes as a valid argument, considering you get two free respec points before you are even out of act 1 normal. That means, if I am not mistaken, that you get 6 respec points by the end of act 1 merciless. That means you can fix 6 mistakes for free, as well as any orbs of regret you have picked up.

Also, it changes the flow of your character. It is really hard to feel attached to the character you didn't grow into (the devs talked about this already).

So, where is your real argument? You have up to 2 free mistakes every difficulty. Orbs of regret are not overly hard to trade for. So I am really curious, what are you really wanting out of this?

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DCTH wrote:

Well, i gonna uninstall POE. Although it has everything i like, no chance to try different builds or correct a complete broken one is a huge downer for me.

"But you can" you say ... yes i could. If i reroll, or collect enough orbs. But i don't want to spend all that time on it. There are other games i like to play. There is real-life with work. Playing maybe 4-6 hours weekly. Planning the build before-hand ... well, no. This should not be a requirement. I just went along my skill-tree and looked how i can reach the next bigger orb with passives i like.

Sadly D2 is kinda outdated, but at least it had no online-requirements and therefore using trainers or mods was no problem. And playing with some friends was still possible.

Lol we really don't care. Game wasn't for you kindergarden that way ------->Diablo 3

POE = old school, hardcore ARPG. No respecs on a massive lvl. If you don't like this concept then quite possibly this game isn't for you. You're given a set number of respecs and orbs of regret fall in game. This game is all about using your mind, thinking and exploring different possibilities. I've gone through a shitload of different necro and frost/crit specs before I found the ones that work for me. Shit, my necro build can easily do end-game maps :) But this took a whille and trial and error. POE is not WoW, D3, Rift or any other game that caters to the whiners and the "gimme, gimme now" "I want it now, I deserve it now" "gamer" generation. If you want free shit, go play one of the aforementioned games or a private server where they give you shit when you log on. As another player put it so nicely, when I go to a chinese restaurant, I go to eat chinese food and don't demand Italian or Greek food from them. GGG has said it many times in the past and will probably say it again. There are just certain things that they will not allow for in this game - massive respeccing and gold as a form of currency. That's why I respect GGG as they haven't wussed out and given in to these cry-baby whiners who expect to get everything here and now.

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Burmeister99 wrote:

Lol we really don't care. Game wasn't for you kindergarden that way ------->Diablo 3

Yeah ... obviously it is more for immature guys like you. Nice community here ...

Immature because I just state a fact? You know what I really like? Football. I always wanted to be a professional football player but I couldn't I wasn't good enough.I didn't start whining I accepted it and played lower divisions until my knee failed. So in you world you want us to dumb down professional football so everyone got a chance to play it?

Its how life is. If you to lazy or stupid to make a viable build for POE then you should rethink you position. And yes maybe you as a gamer just isn't mature enough for POE. Children has to learn how to crawl before they can run. So again you got the option to go play Kindergarden/diablo 3 instead of writing long post that you want this change in POE or els you going to uninstall it.

And for you information we got a great community I been here for a year and if you had said I need help with builds I would have been happy to help you.

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BJWPDaemonSadi,

How about the grave injustice / pierce the veil / acid rain WD?

Ah, I remember that one fondly... One of the few WD builds that actually worked and was fun. But got boring after a while - always doing the same shit over and over and over again. Don't get me wrong, some ppl like this - no need to think, spam a button ftw! D3 is good for when you want to look at pretty graphics and are not in the mood to think. I don't play it anymore - I basically told blizz to fuck themselves, yeah, knowing me, as you all do, I did use those exact words :D, after they nerfed the fuck out of the game...

I'm happy here:

1) I get to play using whatever skill I want

2) I get to be challenged and need to think to use strategy

3) Great community of ppl who love to help each other

4) Terrific devs that ACTUALLY listen to the player base and fix shit before it's broken - that's how fast

5) I get to say shit, fuck, crap, mutherfucker on the forums :D (Comedy relief reason)