Stop spreading the Evasion vs Armor fallacy

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Emphasy wrote:

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Torin wrote:

OK, let me repost my suggestion here from another thread:

"I want evasion to give some evasion chance against stuns as well.
Pure armor chars can take keystone, we evasion chars don't have a real option for this. And it would help CI or high ES melee chars as well since they suffer from stun problems even more even with ES giving 50% chance to avoid stun."

And to add, it would also help hybrid AR/ES chars survive stuns. Those guys avoid hits less often and absorb a lot less and stun is probably the biggest problem.

Although Stun is a problem, you are not very likely to get stunlocked. First you should have tons of HP making Stuns less likely and second hard hitters will barely hit you enough to perform a stunlock.


Also a funny thing most people seem to forget is that Evasion protects you from elemental damage too. A lot of enemies in the game attack with at least partial elemental damage which isn't reduced by armor. So even if armor can reduce the amount of physical damage delivered with such a hit evasion is able to also nullify the elemental-part of the attack.

So in general evasion is in a very good shape, it might be true that considering pure physical damage armor would allow for less max-hp exspecially with endurance-charges, but since there are a lot of other threats you need sufficient HP with both builds if you want to avoid death.

I'm not totally sure, but constructs and snakes should use projectile-attacks which makes evasion-builds with arrow-dodging very efficient against them.

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The formula used for determining whether or not a stun occurs is:
stun_chance = 200 * damage / defender_effective_max_life

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If the stun chance would be less than or equal to 25%, it's ignored, so you need to deal more than 12.5% of effective maximum life to have a chance to stun.

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Ropetus wrote:

Actually it appears they have changed the Vaal Construct projectiles into attacks. I tested this with my Arrow Dodging Duelist and he could stand next to a bunch without getting hit at all. This would not be the case if they were spells.

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Cronos988 wrote:

The fact that evasion is very good on paper, yet is underused ingame might point to the fact that the Problem isn't evasion itself, but something that is commonly associated with evasion builds.

By the looks of it, what really makes armor more powerful is that armor gear and passives are all associated with strength, which in turn is associated with HP (str gives HP, armor nodes are closer to good HP nodes).

HP is what everyone needs, so while mechanically, evasion is stronger, the meta-interaction of armour and strength gives the false impression that evasion itself is weak. In fact it is Dexterity that is weak both as a stat and as an area in the passive tree.

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tramshed wrote:

There are plenty of flasks that give quite strong evasion buffs. Like this one for instance

When I use that flask my average evasion rating jumps up to around 90%.

Also all attacks are dodgeable in an evasion build to some degree or another. A great way to avoid chargers is to take one step out of the way.

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Aelloon wrote:

Does evasion have an equivalent to a granite of iron skin that gets improved by +armor nodes? No? Then this thread is wrong and YOU should stop telling new players how to make their gameplay experience worse.

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tramshed wrote: