AoE + Leech utterly buggered in 1.1

Complaint about reflect disguised as leech QQ, very crafty..

Back on topic (maybe), I'm glad the emphasis on leech is being reduced. We should see many more playstyles open up once the game is rebalanced around this.

Edit: and to clarify I have only used life leech on one character. Game is entirely playable without it.

All this these leech complaints and I'm still giving zero fucks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcWXLeYrrf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkm-81rVG-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfTw_qBVZr0

Seriously though, basically with the changes, there is now a reason to travel to VP with certain builds (large, single-hit AOEs like RoA/FP/Discharge), while others will want to either stay with leech or swap to LGoH.

THE HORROR OF MAKING CHOICES!

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lukeiy wrote:

Complaint about reflect disguised as leech QQ, very crafty..

Back on topic (maybe), I'm glad the emphasis on leech is being reduced. We should see many more playstyles open up once the game is rebalanced around this.

Edit: and to clarify I have only used life leech on one character. Game is entirely playable without it.

no one ever said it isn't. it's just that it shuts down a huge percentage of current builds

meta shift is a good thing, but now only a handful of builds can do any sort of real damage, lest they die a horrible death to reflect. basically all aoe ele burst is dead. all high hit count spell builds are dead. all ele crit attack builds are dead besides prolif wander and voltaxic. so I'm not entirely sure this shift is great if it shuts down so many build choices


patch isn't even here yet, but it does look like the game has taken a huge shift towards path of 3 viable builds, and this still doesn't even account for having CB, SH, and fractured to deal with

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Z3roSh0t wrote:

All this these leech complaints and I'm still giving zero fucks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcWXLeYrrf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkm-81rVG-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfTw_qBVZr0

Seriously though, basically with the changes, there is now a reason to travel to VP with certain builds (large, single-hit AOEs like RoA/FP/Discharge), while others will want to either stay with leech or swap to LGoH.

THE HORROR OF MAKING CHOICES!

plz tell me how to switch to lgoh on incinerate or other spells

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Brillo_Scrublord wrote:

It was always my understanding that the life leech cap functions the same way regardless of how many monsters your damage is distributed among. That is to say 10 hits for 100 damage each functioned identically to one hit for 1000 damage: both are 1000 damage leeched back over time according to the per-second cap.

That is to say, it was my understanding that a capped AoE wouldn't be leeching any more PER SECOND than a capped single-target. In this case the patch would do nothing but prevent post-fight or kiting leech.

The consensus seems to be that capped leeches from multiple hits apply simultaneously in the current game, effectively multiplying your cap. Either I've been wrong the whole time or absolutely everyone is confused. Possibly both.

From what I read of Marks post, that seems to be the case. Queued leech is gone, so now only large single hit builds can have kiting leech. Leech per second is still applied the same way even with multiple small hits, as queued leech only exists if it hasn't already been applied through the 20% max life rate.

fun stuff:

only my EK caster uses life leech (or ES leech in this case). and it does due to absolutely terrible gear she has

none of my characters use mana leech nor BM gem (except clarity ofc)

you can get to mid-end maps (73 in my case due to s.. map drops) without life leech as caster with mediocre gear. sure my chars die from time to time but watching a movie or making phone calls while playing always will result in stupid/afk deaths..

my lvl 80 VP-life cyclone scion also made quite far despite people saying that life-VP is unplayable etc nonsense. with new changes this char will simply roll over content. well.. as long as desync allows

it can be done. life leech nerfs were long overdue and are nothing compared to what d3 did to LL in RoS.

some people should stop thinking in paper dps terms and simply balance their chars a little instead of doing 400k dps (when mobs have 40k hp tops)

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Zaanus wrote:

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Z3roSh0t wrote:

All this these leech complaints and I'm still giving zero fucks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcWXLeYrrf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkm-81rVG-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfTw_qBVZr0

Seriously though, basically with the changes, there is now a reason to travel to VP with certain builds (large, single-hit AOEs like RoA/FP/Discharge), while others will want to either stay with leech or swap to LGoH.

THE HORROR OF MAKING CHOICES!

plz tell me how to switch to lgoh on incinerate or other spells

you can perfectly fine do without LL

if you are hell bent on LL - cats paw provides enough lgoh for incinerate tanks even after previous nerf to incinerate projectile count

He needs to annoy Qarl. Like actually annoy him, 1 PM a week.

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Zaanus wrote:

plz tell me how to switch to lgoh on incinerate or other spells

For Incinerate, use Cybil's Paw.

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Artanthos wrote:

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Zaanus wrote:

plz tell me how to switch to lgoh on incinerate or other spells

For Incinerate, use Cybil's Paw.

So incinerate builds are stuck with 1 specific item to be viable? Seems legit.
Oh well, guess I'll just wait and see how this new LL works when patch comes out. The more I read about it on forums the more confused I am.