IDEAS for Passive Skill Tree Reset

TLDR. You can respec in this game, if you just take a little time to vendor buy /trade for regrets. But you're missing out on half the point of the game is that by failing, you learn more, get more items and currency, and get more familiar with zones and bosses. Again, this game is supposed to be hard, not hand feed you like most other ARPG's. And really, they are even kind enough to let you keep your character if you die in hardcore, unlike in almost every other ARPG where death = good bye all items and the character completely.

Not trying to sound mean here, but resets are probably never going to be part of the game. I think the Devs found a good balance on it (after all, the free 12 points you get can fix most broken characters) toss in some store bought orbs or trade for them and bam, respec.



two points that the OP keeps seeming to miss even though multiple players brought it up.

a: along with the free resets, it's not very hard to get 50+ orbs of regret (which would mean you could easily reset a lvl 65 character)

b: after playing the game a bit, you can level a character to 40 in about 4 hours (heck some of the ladder racers and power gamers do it in like 2 1/2. Getting to 50 isn't that hard either, and by then you know you screwed up or not.

So really, it's not like it takes MONTHS to build a character until you realize the decisions you made were flawed (in fact, can be achieved in one solid 8 hour play session or two 4 hr ones). Also, if you're so in love with your character, you can always just use the exchange in act 3 to get orbs of regrets.

However, I'll use myself as an example. I have remade my witch 5 times. Originally she was a shadow, but I found I needed templar skills for her. the BEST part of making a new character is you get new loot, gems, orbs, etc. So in fact, making a new character is extremely beneficial. Not only do you learn the skill tree better, you also get more loot in the long run.

This is more of a Rogue / Nethack type of game than Diablo ever was. Screw up and well, start over. And again, if you are dead set on rerolling your character rather than just making a new one, it is not hard to get regrets.

So, basically it's a moot point because the thing that the devs has said will NEVER happen (the ability to respec). However even they conceded a little by adding orbs of regret for sale at the vendors.

This game is meant to be hard. We are exiled criminals who have to make best with what we can find / do. For me most of the fun is trying out crazy builds, and if they don't work, scrapping them and starting over because well, more loot, more experience with every zone, an more experience on fighting the bosses.

And finally, as stated. It's not like open beta, or even release anymore. there are THOUANDS of guides out there ranging from traditional builds to flat out crazy ones that work. One hour of research will teach you everything you need to know. (and print up the vendor exchange list and the bevy of other useful lists availble on the forums.


Or can just do like the rest of us do, learn from your mistakes, make a new character, and find more and more gear and orbs and such. Either way, it really sounds like you just don't like the game and even a respec option won't please you. Heck GGG is even kind enough to have an online skill tree planner included on the forums.

reroll/10

It won't change the face of the game if there's only one full-reset option given to all your chars every month or every 3 months, it will just permit to people who have made mistakes (and it's so fucking easy to make mistakes with this passive tree, even for a true veteran... At least when you're a perfectionist like me.) to correct them instead of restarting which is boring...!!

Anyway, I think it's absolutely no use to argue (even if I do understand perfectly the arguments of everyone ;)), so I'm not gonna argue with people that don't agree with allionus, and I think allionus should stop tiring himself arguing, as anyway it's not the players who decide what's good for the game, it's GGG. And it's not because many players think in a way, that GGG will necessarily follow them...!

So that conclude it all, very good luck allionus, I'm all with you and I'm very happy that my program helps you out, I think it's the best program you can get :D. And you said everything which had to be said ;D.

A better way to calculate what you have from your passive skill tree:

http://pathofpoe.com/builds/passive-calculator/

The way GGG handled the whole respec aspect is masterfully done. Its possible to respec but you gotta put some effort in it.

YEAH, let's just suggest GGG give everyone a spoon-fed easy game in which all classes at their start locations can only go ONE way on the Skill Tree so no one makes any mistake(s), ever. In addition to that, let's also suggest GGG do away with Regret orbs and the whole concept of a 'Passive Reset' in every way, shape, and form.

The Skill Tree system works as intended in which it has nothing to do with people who are OK with it you think are hardcore as a result just because they use the Skill Tree how it's supposed to be used.

IF everyone knew the certain path(s) to take every time in the Skill Tree, or if everyone was given too-forgiving Passive Resets, the fun in PoE wouldn't last very long (I'd give it 2 weeks.) That just said would be just as bad and stupid as giving players the ability to see what items chests and barrels contain before you open or kick them. Where would the fun be in that?

I know! Almost everyone wants to be the best in the games they play in the virtual world much like almost everyone wants to be millionaires in the game of Life in the real world, but that's not how it works. Anyone thinking that's how it works would be doing themselves a great favor by doing away with that thought.

The whole idea behind building a character in PoE is to have a PLAN by using the Dummy Skill Tree on PoE's site to figure out a build for your character Dummy Skill Tree to prepare your build(s) If not that link, try this PoE Builder (calculates all your build's mathematical values.)

When you go there, think about what nodes you need via Life, ES, critical strikes, damage output type, resistance, etc., and put a check in the 'Highlight Shortest Paths' box when you figure out your nodes. Then you simply locate those nodes by entering keywords like 'Energy Shield' (or whatever it is) in the Search, and go about allocating those nodes by taking the shortest path(s) possible on the Skill Tree.

When you've accomplished all the above and allocated all your Skill Points except 15-20 Skill Points, sit back and take a look at it on whether or not you took the shortest path(s) possible to the nodes you needed. If not, open a New Tab in your web browser and use the old Tab for your reference to optimize your build. You may even need to open a third New Tab in your browser, but if you need to, do it (I have many times.)

Now you need gear; what do you do?

You go here (the Wiki for PoE on Unique Items,) scroll down where it says 'References,' then click on the links 'Amulets,' 'Armor,' 'Boots,' or whatever you're looking for to get a general idea on what you need.

You're not going for unique items? Fine, but at least you'll get a general idea on what mods you should look out for.

"I need more Critical Strikes for my build!"

OK, fine, click where it says 'Armors' under 'References' in the link above and do a CTRL + F in your web browser and type in 'Critical Strikes' in the 'Find' text box. That will then highlight all armors with critical strike values, or whatever you need.

"Now I need more resistances!"

Do same thing in the above stated except click 'Amulets' or 'Boots' if you need to under 'References.'

FINALLY, when you've got all your B.S. figured out, document it in Notepad or Word and follow your own setup. Is it a lot of work? Somewhat, but it's not bad as you think if you develop good researching skills.

It's not PoE's Skill Tree that's the problem. More than not, it's the player whose researching skills are terrible, combined with the fact they're tool reliant on other players by being a follower (not a leader whether leading themselves or others) by copying other people's builds in the forums.

When you're too dependent on other players in the forums, or if you don't want to learn how to properly research things on your own, you're never going to learn anything. Sure, get an idea what other players are doing, but don't copy them (if it can be helped,) and always put your own spin on it with what you think is better or meets your needs and gameplay style.

But then there are some players who have everything imaginable in PoE at their disposal to use against their enemies (probably bought on a third-party site or given to them for free,) and have the BEST Skill Tree setup, yet they still manage to die all the time. Do you know why? They were quite possibly given everything they own and never learned anything on their own. Worse, they're just bad at playing games, including but not limited to, PoE, and no amount of guides in the world of Wraeclast are going to help these players!

If the above pertains to you in any way, consider playing another game, or better, play PoE the best you can by keeping your complaints to yourself or at a minimal since it's probably you, not the game.

tl;dr applies to most of this

My first character (a bow ranger) was a screw up...not entirely...but enough to the point I just decided to start over. Did I QQ?



My 2nd build was a breeze. Not only did I have decent gear to start with, I also knew where to go, and what to expect from each quest. Leveling the new character was so much faster!

One thing I...kinda...agree with is a total restat book...or something...but a ONE time only thing. Why not put it in as quest reward in place of the 2 refunds you get in act1 normal, and have a separate skill reset tab for it "full refund" next to "refund points".

This wouldn't be hard to do since 1/2 the code should already be there, and other parts (the quest reward) just needs to be rewritten to implement it. The only large addition would be the action of refunding all points at once.

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Alysma wrote:

#1: The search function is located to the left of the [new thread] button. ;-) :-D

#2: It's totally normal to screw up your first characters. There is a bit of a learning curve but otherwise people will be stuck copying those flavour of the month builds (and QQ when they get nerfed). Which an still screw you up if you can't find the necessary gear.

#3: Buying a full respec is not going to happen. GGG have already stated that they'd consider this "pay to win" and therefore won't be implemented.
Not that it's very likely to happen but should a full respec ever be added as a quest reward, it would probably be ridiculously difficult/and or expensive to get. Just look at the bandit quest change recipe. A full tree reset would probably be x100. :-D

But what is the difference in applying the learnt lesson to the same character, and applying it to another character of the same class made to replace the previous character who's turned useless (yes the updates bring skill resets.... Then why not just make them a part of the game? since people don't question them and they do essentially what i am talking about, lol. Strange is it not ?

Talking about skill tree NERFS : Say you find and make a build on your 7th Witch, and it works really good for you. You found it on your own. Then a few spells and skills you relied on get nerfed. Are you not screwed then? What would i have done to deserve it? Been creative?|

And then comes the topic of Respeccing being Game breaking and "p2W":
Aren't the Resets that happen every now and then the same as a "Full Respec" ? :P. And just because it happens to everyone, doesn't change its effect :D.And i think one is coming soon in march(my problem will be solved then, but there's the future players too). SO i guess that idea of theirs counters itself in a way...

(also, rerolling isn't an inescapable part of the game. Before i made my first character, i could just go to youtube, spend 5 minutes on a video for the perfect build and leveling guide, and have the whole plan lay out for me. How is this fair? I can just be like this and copy someone else's build and be safe the whole game.
This is why i want them to facilitate The RESET. So that people like me don't have to suffer like this for trying something unique or un-copied in its own way. Think about it.

I wouldn't mind it if it was applied to everyone. See? People who try to be original will suffer INFINITE times more than someone who just copied someone's build. Too many holes. :( give it a thought :D

To be honest, I approve of either:
a) a single tree reset for the first X characters to hit level Y
b) for your first X characters that beat the last boss of normal mode, award additional skill refund points for each last boss of each difficulty.
c) additional account-wide skill refund points with certain quests, so that truly new players (and not veterans seeking an easy way to level) get a helping hand.

My reasoning is simple:
Although I think you should plan your character - just as Natharias said - I also think it's absolutely bullshit to expect a new player to properly plan a character like a player who actually understands the game would.

On the other side of the spectrum, expecting new players to abandon creativity and simply copy existing builds from veteran players is even worse bullshit.

GGG should encourage creativity by giving players a decent leeway for mistakes.
But it should be done in a way that doesn't make choices meaningless for veterans.