If a game is dominated by NON-OFFICIAL RMT, is it any less pay2win?

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Baskerville wrote:

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Temper wrote:

Game was developed for trade/economy .... the drop tables are balanced for trade,RMT effects trade which the drop tables are balanced around ... everyone is effected whether you trade or not.

Chests/breakables get adjusted,mob drops get adjusted,vendors get adjusted and in even more extremes of pulling content from games.

If the game becomes too easy for players with great gear (from trading and RMT) and the game gets balanced because of this,it will effect your game even though you solo.

RMT brings botting,mass botting puts more strain on servers/maintenance and enforcement of botting rules,costing time and money,time and money that could go into development to make YOUR game more enjoyable.


Anyway whatever,I'm pretty much done with RMT subject and I'll let you all keep your head in the sand as it doesn't effect YOU !

The wording you use does leave the impression that you have a bias towards the importance of trading -> "Game was developed for trade/economy". That's not entirely true, only part of the game was developed for trade/economy.

I can understand having a complaint about RMT if a person enjoys the trading aspect, but when it comes to self found; do I think any one of my level 60+ characters would be any better or higher level? No.

Besides if a player is not in the top 100 ladder at most, what's going on is a lot of this:

I'd like to see the game make it quicker to reach lvl 80 before the grindfest to lvl 99 starts. An adjustment to experience curve where the time needed to reach max level does NOT change but have the point where experience gains dramatically drop happen later.

I have 5 level 60+ characters and only now with my level 79 character; it feels largely completed. Imo level 80 (or a couple levels lower) is when a character is mostly finished with the skill tree and it's power or lack thereof will be realized

Easy to say, so easy it may be just fabricated.

How did you do it? Time involved? Like if you took 3 months before you died and was entering 76/77 maps. Then you could only say map drops were fine for you.

From my experience taking a whole month with zero lvl 70+ maps dropping, but getting close to half a stash full of lower maps, something is wrong and not "fine" as you put it.
I believe there is a need to create TWO noticeboards. One for playing and another for trading. Cause I doubt I'm the only one going a little bit crossed eyed at the selection, when it comes to PLAYING. Doubt traders are on the same level.
The drop rate is somewhat too low imo.
It's been my experience with 5 lvl 60+ characters (one is 79 iirc)that the game does shower you in loot up until Act 3 merciless. That's when I start to notice the gear check.

But all my stuff is self found or made other than an amulet that was given to me by my friend.

As far as chance, one lvl 60+ has around 175, but it's more or less unplayable because it feels like having to ZERG through content in merciless act 3. So I made the decision to mostly play my strongest character into maps. Where this "shower of loot" is hugely vending material. Upgrades are few and far between, you could define it as: very rare.
One of my characters is in the high 70's and doing maps somewhat frequently.

I haven't seen a single +70 map drop yet.

Maybe cause I'm a "casual"?
Honestly I'm thinking the number crunching guys that program this game don't play these skills at all and go OHH! this shouldn't be happening.
Now if the guys at GGG could track skills being used and say "hey these skills aren't being used, let's buff them!"
Well when I do catacombs, you're right, I REGRET needing to open that chest.

For a while there I would quit the game with the character I'm leveling and rejoin with another one that had over 100 magic find. Didn't change drops much at all other than an occasional rare. Such an experience makes me regret that chest is there evertime it explodes into usless stuff.

In one way it's worse than Diablo 3, where everyone agrees that only one in a million yellows seems like is any good.

Cause slap yourself in the face and say, "Hey! these yellows that drop in the PoE game... it's just like same droprate playing D3!"
NO, not the kind that show up on a G(O-o)gle searh. The kind in game you click on and expect a whole bunch of l(O-o)t to fill your screen.

From my experience this ladder season, when I first made my toons, these chests were awesome when I ran into one. It seemed to always drop at least a yellow but enough times it was multiples and an occasional unique (in early levels). But now in higher levels it's changed.

One of my toons is near 80 and because my gear isn't the greatest, I spent a LOT OF TIME doing Catacombs; just for leveling, just to see what drops, just for fun. That place has a chance at spawning a Large Chest... -> Chance = RNG and sometimes it was a lot but most of the time it didn't show up. And the drops weren't like early on.

From my experience, everytime that chest would spawn it was: in one word -> SUCKS!

Is there a reason for that? Like are there bots that run the place 20x over that it would take a legit player to run and therefore get the rng chance to find great gear? Is that why that large chest drops crap?
Other than the most dedicated players during ladder season, this is pretty much a pipe dream. Most everyone else like me enjoys a fresh start, see how well you do from one season to the next.

Why not throw everyone a curve ball so to speak. How could that be done?

Rather than make it a pure experience race, cap experience to level 91. If you want to make it to level 99, then each of the eight achievements also gives you a level.

I think it will add an uncontrolable dimension to being first to max lvl on the ladder.

First off serious players will have to manage getting all the uniques, that involves trading/being social, NOT just hours and hours of grinding. Then there's trying to find that last shrine, RNG maybe not shine upon that last level point. I imagine there are some other "luck" things and sure some top players would complain. But meh, you're either having fun along the way or you got an ego problem.
I wouldn't completely call it creating problems, instead it would create two big issues that could have a third and even bigger one.

1) Dividing the community. 2) SFL would lag behind in the levelling process in a ladder season because drops can't be distributed. 3) What will those two combined do to business?
Maybe someone should suggest that one day every month the rng chance gets "doubled" the chances at success.

Thing is some people who like to trade, won't like that
I don't expect to be a top 100 player anytime soon, but it would be nice if GGG would loosen up on the drops.

It's pretty obvious, mouse clicking skill being equal, this game is also slanted towards being a successful trader.
I would guess it's a hc thing mostly. I personally don't have the patience for that and after creating one gimped build; I've learned the art and gaming skill of ZERGING! Desync shouldn't be any problem on sc unless you've got a short fuse
I would at least double the chances of large chests to spawn.
First time ever I've gone to the Notice Board and every single one had to do with the economy. WTB WTT and doing ____ for a chaos, stuff like that. EVERY LAST ONE!

I don't mind trading but I'd rather see something done about it. Just my 2 cents.