GGG should probably address the player retention rate

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UnderOmerta wrote:

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anubite wrote:

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I recall after aura patch he said bm was stronger than ever.
Also, how is steam tracker not a reliable source of information? 30-50% of POE's population play using it, it's pretty dam accurate I would say.

Mortal Conviction is really fucking strong. 40% less aura cost, for auras that already costed 40% of their life prior to the change, BM was made significantly stronger with auras

Under no circumstance is BM stronger than ever. It used to be that BM could run anger/wrath/grace without a major concern because they were flat auras. Now you MAY be able to run 1 aura with BM; more likely none without a major point investment.

HOW is that BM being stronger than ever again? I know you like the game, but at least be reasonable and not a fanboy in the feedback, please.

Yeah, I'm not sure how BM is stronger than ever.

I think the idea would have been that auras got buffed, so you don't need to run as many, while there are reduced reservation nodes that will let you do so relatively cheaply.

I'm not sure (read: I think it didn't, but I'm happy to be proven wrong) it ended up that way, though.

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UnderOmerta wrote:

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anubite wrote:

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I recall after aura patch he said bm was stronger than ever.
Also, how is steam tracker not a reliable source of information? 30-50% of POE's population play using it, it's pretty dam accurate I would say.

Mortal Conviction is really fucking strong. 40% less aura cost, for auras that already costed 40% of their life prior to the change, BM was made significantly stronger with auras

Under no circumstance is BM stronger than ever. It used to be that BM could run anger/wrath/grace without a major concern because they were flat auras. Now you MAY be able to run 1 aura with BM; more likely none without a major point investment.

HOW is that BM being stronger than ever again? I know you like the game, but at least be reasonable and not a fanboy in the feedback, please.

The flat auras were nerfed, sure, but with the right uniques and investments in auras, you can now run vitality and determination in tandem - with Mortal Conviction, it's certainly possible, though I've never done it before.

In some ways, you're right, BM was nerfed - you can't stack flat aruas because there are none. On the other hand, you could never run Determination or Vitality as BM, and now you potentially can, to good effect with enough reduction investments - because MC is LESS it means those aura reduction passives are even MORE powerful at letting you run costly auras.

What got me angry at sidtherat is how he addressed Chris as a "CEO" -- as if his title makes him into this unknowing suit we're so familiar with.

Chris is not a guy in a suit hired to run this game, like you'll find behind the likes of BF4 or CoD. Chris is someone who loves ARPGs and built one from fucking scratch in his basement, making it into a multimillion dollar product. There's no way you can reduce Chris down to a bureaucrat and imply he's the kind of scum who would mislead us.

In an industry where everyone is playing "follow the fad" - Chris should be praised for going against the grain. This is why PoE is head and shoulders above any game that came out in 2013 - they weren't afraid to do things that the industry won't do. For one, Chris is targeting a small niche instead of a giant market. It's this attitude you should celebrate, because there aren't many fucking people doing this right now - and nobody here is giving them a good reason to.

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anubite wrote:

What got me angry at sidtherat is how he addressed Chris as a "CEO" -- as if his title makes him into this unknowing suit we're so familiar with.

Chris is not a guy in a suit hired to run this game, like you'll find behind the likes of BF4 or CoD. Chris is someone who loves ARPGs and built one from fucking scratch in his basement, making it into a multimillion dollar product. There's no way you can reduce Chris down to a bureaucrat and imply he's the kind of scum who would mislead us.

get a grip

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anubite wrote:

The flat auras were nerfed, sure, but with the right uniques and investments in auras, you can now run vitality and determination in tandem - with Mortal Conviction, it's certainly possible, though I've never done it before.

In some ways, you're right, BM was nerfed - you can't stack flat aruas because there are none. On the other hand, you could never run Determination or Vitality as BM, and now you potentially can, to good effect with enough reduction investments - because MC is LESS it means those aura reduction passives are even MORE powerful at letting you run costly auras.

It's possible? Where? In standard with utterly GG gear?

Let's say you get EVERY mana reservation reduction node in the game. That's 41% reduced mana. Let's say you get Alpha's Howl for an additional 8% reduction. That's 49% reduced mana. Let's say you have a lvl 20 Reduced Mana and Mortal Conviction.

120% auras reduction with all of the above are still going to cost 120 * .71 (RM) * .51 * .6 (mortal conviction) = 26%.

26% is a hell of a lot less than 120%, but who on earth is going to reserve 26% of their life? Especially in a hardcore league? And do try to theorycraft a build for me that gets every aura reservation reduction node in the tree. I dare you. I want to see how terrible the build is.

You could conceivably do it if you wore an Alpha's Howl and ran your auras in a prism guardian, but you would STILL need to run about and get every aura reduction node in the tree including the one all the way over in Shadow. Good luck with that.

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sidtherat wrote:

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anubite wrote:

What got me angry at sidtherat is how he addressed Chris as a "CEO" -- as if his title makes him into this unknowing suit we're so familiar with.

Chris is not a guy in a suit hired to run this game, like you'll find behind the likes of BF4 or CoD. Chris is someone who loves ARPGs and built one from fucking scratch in his basement, making it into a multimillion dollar product. There's no way you can reduce Chris down to a bureaucrat and imply he's the kind of scum who would mislead us.

get a grip

Yep. You're a troll. You just proved it.

You don't even care about this game. Why are you even here?

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UnderOmerta wrote:

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anubite wrote:

The flat auras were nerfed, sure, but with the right uniques and investments in auras, you can now run vitality and determination in tandem - with Mortal Conviction, it's certainly possible, though I've never done it before.

In some ways, you're right, BM was nerfed - you can't stack flat aruas because there are none. On the other hand, you could never run Determination or Vitality as BM, and now you potentially can, to good effect with enough reduction investments - because MC is LESS it means those aura reduction passives are even MORE powerful at letting you run costly auras.

It's possible? Where? In standard with utterly GG gear?

Let's say you get EVERY mana reservation reduction node in the game. That's 41% reduced mana. Let's say you get Alpha's Howl for an additional 8% reduction. That's 49% reduced mana. Let's say you have a lvl 20 Reduced Mana and Mortal Conviction.

120% auras reduction with all of the above are still going to cost 120 * .71 (RM) * .51 * .6 (mortal conviction) = 26%.

26% is a hell of a lot less than 120%, but who on earth is going to reserve 26% of their life? Especially in a hardcore league? And do try to theorycraft a build for me that gets every aura reservation reduction node in the tree. I dare you. I want to see how terrible the build is.

You could conceivably do it if you wore an Alpha's Howl and ran your auras in a prism guardian, but you would STILL need to run about and get every aura reduction node in the tree including the one all the way over in Shadow. Good luck with that.

I haven't done the math, but I was under the impression mortal conviction + prism guardian + a few passives would be plenty.

It's something for me to test now I think.

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anubite wrote:

I haven't done the math, but I was under the impression mortal conviction + prism guardian + a few passives would be plenty.

It's something for me to test now I think.

Prism Guardian would mean you have to use a 1 hander and can't weapon swap. It's a huge amount of investment just to be able to run vitality and determination, two of the auras that offer less utilty to most BM characters because most BM characters already get a large amount or life regen and grace is generally more effective for armor (with IR) than determination.

None of this comes close to OB levels where you could run anger, wrath, and grace for about 7% of your life for literally 0 point investment.

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anubite wrote:

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UnderOmerta wrote:

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anubite wrote:

The flat auras were nerfed, sure, but with the right uniques and investments in auras, you can now run vitality and determination in tandem - with Mortal Conviction, it's certainly possible, though I've never done it before.

In some ways, you're right, BM was nerfed - you can't stack flat aruas because there are none. On the other hand, you could never run Determination or Vitality as BM, and now you potentially can, to good effect with enough reduction investments - because MC is LESS it means those aura reduction passives are even MORE powerful at letting you run costly auras.

It's possible? Where? In standard with utterly GG gear?

Let's say you get EVERY mana reservation reduction node in the game. That's 41% reduced mana. Let's say you get Alpha's Howl for an additional 8% reduction. That's 49% reduced mana. Let's say you have a lvl 20 Reduced Mana and Mortal Conviction.

120% auras reduction with all of the above are still going to cost 120 * .71 (RM) * .51 * .6 (mortal conviction) = 26%.

26% is a hell of a lot less than 120%, but who on earth is going to reserve 26% of their life? Especially in a hardcore league? And do try to theorycraft a build for me that gets every aura reservation reduction node in the tree. I dare you. I want to see how terrible the build is.

You could conceivably do it if you wore an Alpha's Howl and ran your auras in a prism guardian, but you would STILL need to run about and get every aura reduction node in the tree including the one all the way over in Shadow. Good luck with that.

I haven't done the math, but I was under the impression mortal conviction + prism guardian + a few passives would be plenty.

It's something for me to test now I think.

Wtf, and you call this guy sidtherat a troll? Lol.

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anubite wrote:

I haven't done the math, but I was under the impression mortal conviction + prism guardian + a few passives would be plenty.

It's something for me to test now I think.

Honestly if you have to add a 5 ex unique to make it work, it is definitely not "stronger than ever."

I most definitely do not thing "We were lied to intentionally about this" but he was incorrect in his statement.

Mortal Conviction is never used to run auras on a BM all life character, MC is used for low life builds to put yourself into low life, still using ES as a your main life source

Using flat auras on a full life (no ES) blood magic character currently is not worth it. You have to spend way too much of your tree to just make it viable, and odds are you could use those nodes to give an equivalent bonus to what the aura would have given you without having to worry about lost life