Would you support a 6L Orb that cost X fusings?

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Peace_Frog wrote:

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mazul wrote:

That's incorrect and I think you realize it XD. if the 6L recipe required a too high amount of fusings, then noone would use it and it wouldn't affect the market in any way. For the sake of example, we can set the 6L recipe at 20k fusings. Noone would use it.

Then why demand it?

because people hate gambling , I wont pretend to know your stance on it , but alot of people view gambling as inherently evil and damaging to those who partake in it and those around them.

ill happily pay a premium if it means i can avoid such an asinine thing like gambling , and many others would too.


20k fusing was just an example , the more practical numbers would be 800 - 2000

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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Peace_Frog wrote:

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mazul wrote:

That's incorrect and I think you realize it XD. if the 6L recipe required a too high amount of fusings, then noone would use it and it wouldn't affect the market in any way. For the sake of example, we can set the 6L recipe at 20k fusings. Noone would use it.

Then why demand it?

because people hate gambling , I wont pretend to know your stance on it , but alot of people view gambling as inherently evil and damaging to those who partake in it and those around them.

ill happily pay a premium if it means i can avoid such an asinine thing like gambling , and many others would too.


20k fusing was just an example , the more practical numbers would be 800 - 2000

And now we get the argument that equates the RNG based crafting system to the "evil" of real-world gambling...

Admit it, Saltychipmunk, you are jealous that others have 6L and you don't. Admit that you lack the ability to build viable toons with just 4L. Admit that you want the game to spoonfeed you to lvl 100 while you left-click spam while watching Netflix on your second monitor. Admit that you CBA to deal with challenges.

Then end the thread.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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Peace_Frog wrote:

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mazul wrote:

That's incorrect and I think you realize it XD. if the 6L recipe required a too high amount of fusings, then noone would use it and it wouldn't affect the market in any way. For the sake of example, we can set the 6L recipe at 20k fusings. Noone would use it.

Then why demand it?

because people hate gambling , I wont pretend to know your stance on it , but alot of people view gambling as inherently evil and damaging to those who partake in it and those around them.

ill happily pay a premium if it means i can avoid such an asinine thing like gambling , and many others would too.


20k fusing was just an example , the more practical numbers would be 800 - 2000

Couldn't put it better myself.

I got to say this is entertaining :P

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Sinnesteuer wrote:

And now we get the argument that equates the RNG based crafting system to the "evil" of real-world gambling...

Admit it, Saltychipmunk, you are jealous that others have 6L and you don't. Admit that you lack the ability to build viable toons with just 4L. Admit that you want the game to spoonfeed you to lvl 100 while you left-click spam while watching Netflix on your second monitor. Admit that you CBA to deal with challenges.


Then end the thread.

would an admin like to address this?
I think we can see the troll for what it is


ill at-least address the part of your post that is atleast somewhat valid

rng is gambling. you spend money (fusings) for the chance of a pay out ( links)
that is gambling. that is text-book gambling. that so undeniably gambling that one would need to have their head up their own bum to see it as anything other than that.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

20k fusing was just an example , the more practical numbers would be 800 - 2000

Yet you stated earlier:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

the average link rate for 6l is between 800 and 950 , the consensus of camp one is a guaranteed link by 900 - 1500. that means it is equal to are greater than the average.

You want to force everyone to pay up to 2,000 Fusings just so the chances of you not getting one go down? How do you plan on fitting 2,000 Orbs of Fusing into your bags, and then into the vendor screen? Will they have to recode the stack size? Won't that cause imbalances? Don't you think they've put a lot of time and research into why they have stacks of orbs only go to ten or twenty?

As for the gambling comment, any opinions on the evils of gambling are null and void when you're talking about gambling in a video game. Honestly, the act of playing this game at all is more evil than gambling away virtual money that wasn't going to pay your rent or mortgage.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

would an admin like to address this?
I think we can see the troll for what it is


ill at-least address the part of your post that is atleast somewhat valid

rng is gambling. you spend money (fusings) for the chance of a pay out ( links)
that is gambling. that is text-book gambling. that so undeniably gambling that one would need to have their head up their own bum to see it as anything other than that.

Trolling is giving you a shovel with which you can dig your hole of misguided argumentation? Then I am a troll, sir! (and classy the way you accuse me of having my head in my arse, I like that)

And no, RNG is not "gambling". You use an Orb that specifies exactly what it does on an item with the random chance that the results are what you want them to be. You still have the item, you are out the Orb.

But your participation trophies (the support titles you are so happy to show everyone on the forums, because they make you "special") indicate that you do feel entitled to demand changes from the devs so that they can produce the game YOU want to play, as opposed to the game THEY want to produce.

You and I are on two sides of an endless abyss, you refuse to see my side and I cannot comprehend the sense in yours.

how is it not gambling ,

you have your money fusing ( or dollars ) you know exactly what the money does ( 1 dollar gives you x tries)


and then you either win a pay out , or you lose ,

you only win if you get what you were targeting for , sure you still have the item , but it is generally the links that dictate if the item is useable. until it is useable it might as well not exist.

and if you lose , you lost all the fusings (money) you spent on your gambling binge

and what do my forum titles have to do with this, i was clamoring for this change long before I put a dime down on this game.

you bringing that up is an example of you blatantly trying to stir up aggression in me , how are you not trolling?

6l equipment isn't 'best in slot' because it has 6l. You can still have 6l gear with shit stats.

Currently there is an issue with item valuation in which the entire low to medium-high end gear is ESSENTIALLY WORTHLESS if it didn't also roll 5l or 6l.

The current system also makes taking a piece of low to mid-high range gear to 5l or 6l a stupid waste of currency. You're not going to blow whole stash tab pages of orbs and fusings on a piece of 'mediocre' gear- even if that piece would be an upgrade for you- unless the gear piece itself is so out of this world as to make it worth it. IE, never.

You people need to quit acting as though making it easier to get 5l or 6l is the same thing as handing out free max roll Shavronne's Wrappings at login. It's not that, and no one's asking for unique/high end rare drop rates to be altered.

People are just asking for a reliable way to use the gear they get that is a marginal upgrade, but doesn't have the right slots. And the current system makes it more economical to VENDOR that piece ( because you certainly won't be able to trade it ) and not use the system that's in place.

That is brutal, frustrating, and bad design.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

how is it not gambling ,

you have your money fusing ( or dollars ) you know exactly what the money does ( 1 dollar gives you x tries)


and then you either win a pay out , or you lose ,

you only win if you get what you were targeting for , sure you still have the item , but it is generally the links that dictate if the item is useable. until it is useable it might as well not exist.

and if you lose , you lost all the fusings (money) you spent on your gambling binge

"High rollers" don't take money into the casino they are not prepared to lose in the first place.

And only a fool or an addict would gamble away the rent money...

which one are you?

And, with your obvious opposition to gambling, why aren't you in Vagas, marching the streets to denounce the evil? I mean, let's fight the fight where it matters, as opposed to in a video game.

Since RNG is gambling, and gambling is bad, we need to demand that item drops be removed from the game and every kill open up a vendor type window with the entire loot table of said mob available for us to select the exact item we would want. Can't gamble with those drops.