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DeF46 wrote:

But this is not necessary at all. There are supporter packs for that. GGG can continue to sell tshirts, game boxes, posters, signed prints and so on for that purpose.

No offense intended, but you aren't qualified to define necessary. Also, necessary is irrelevant given possibility.

Supporter packs are disappearing. Maybe they'll have different packs later. Also irrelevant.

They can sell whatever they want for whatever they want and so long as it's not P2W, any negative feedback over prices just amounts to youthful envy. Any claims to GGG Greed are just you saying "But I want everything! And I already gave you everything I can!".

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DeF46 wrote:

The Kiwis were different, because they were a unique item available with supporter packs. It was understood that those who have the expensive kiwis are supporting GGG.

They aren't different at all. Many people will come after the kiwis are discontinued and what will be available that is very rare and shows their significant support?

GGG needs significant ongoing support. I would say at least a couple million a year minimum if their team doesn't grow much and I'm not significantly off on their expenses. Maybe they're running much leaner than that, I dunno. But millions go quicker than you might think.

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DeF46 wrote:

Now it's not so obvious imho because GGG is doing well, and they choose to stop the supporter packs apparently. So the cash shop should not be about funding GGG as much as simply making a regular revenue.

They aren't dropping the current supporter packs because they are doing well (though they are so far). They're dropping them because the intent was for them to be dropped at OB and possibly (likely) replaced with something else.

Do you think $2M is a lot? As far as I'm concerned, other expenses aside, $2M barely reasonably covers their team's wages for just over a year. And they've been at it for several years already (though with less staff as time goes back).

What is "regular revenue"? Also note that profit margins drop with physical goods, and shipping, and handling. Takes a lot of their time that could go into development to process physical goods.

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DeF46 wrote:

I don't know... personally I see a distinction. The Extras that came with Funding (eg. diamond kiwi) VS Cash shop Items. It's not the same. The cash shop is not to buy supporter packs. If it's about funding a game that is not considered out of beta, then make a specific "supporter pack" section in the shop and continue to sell the exclusive kiwis for that purpose.

The Beta tag has nothing to do with the shop.

Rare items in or outside of a pack make no difference. They're still there.

You're welcome to your opinion of what the shop is and should have but ultimately you're just going to have to be content with the fact that it will have what it does.

Does it hurt your gameplay if I want to buy a pet for $100,000 that nobody (or at least few others, I would think) would have in the game? Actually, it would give them money to improve your gameplay. Now, I can't afford anything close to that given that I drive a forklift for a living, but that's not the point. There is a price that you will find unreasonable and judging by posts here, that price is shockingly low. But really, all that's at issue here is that if you can't afford what that other guy has and it's so cool you just have to have it, GGG must be being greedy - and that's not fair to them.

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DeF46 wrote:

Yes but this is a videogame. People play games to take a break from the daily treadmill.

That's why a lot of people resent F2P. It brings the daily treadmill and the class segregation into games.

We don't need luxury items. Just reasonably priced tiers where ANYONE can afford ANYTHING (eg. any individual item less than 20$), but if you have lots of money to spend, you can buy MORE.

"my 2 cents"

I understand your argument, but what you are saying is that you want a luxury item that isn't a luxury. Rare collectors collect things because of their scarcity. I would be more than willing to see some generic pets around $5-15, but I still think a nicely animated pet could and should be sold for maybe $25 or higher. I will admit, I have a huge e-peen for owning cosmetics that not everyone will be able to buy. I don't want to own something that every PoE player will buy. I want to own a frog in a crown that maybe 40% will own and a flaming lizard that maybe 33% will own due to price or looks or whatever.

Also, even though you say you don't need luxury items, I don't think you understand what the word means. "a material object, service, etc., conducive to sumptuous living, usually a delicacy, elegance, or refinement of living rather than a necessity" Luxury purely means something that isn't needed. A pet provides nothing but cosmetics, thus it is a luxury item in PoE. Not trying to be rude, we just need to find a common ground in the use of a word for an argument to actually have meaning.

Now, I will say this, there is going to be a huge split for a while with players. Some people want cheap pets. I arrogantly assume it is because they do not wish to spend much money for few rewards. The other side will be the likes of the diamond/gold/silver supporters who may want to sink money into the game and be able to have bragging rights (i.e. they will have a pet because they can afford it and it sets them apart.) I fall into the later group. The main reason I went up to gold support was for the gold kiwi, with supporting GGG as my second tier reason. So, if my argument offends you, I can totally see why. I may be coming off as an ass, but I truly wish to say I am not trying to.

It does not offend me and thanks for the thoughtful post!

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DeF46 wrote:

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Panda413 wrote:

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Just reasonably priced tiers where ANYONE can afford ANYTHING (eg. any individual item less than 20$)

Do you realize how many people in this world don't make $20 a month?

Yes but that argument is silly as we're obviously talking about people who can afford a computer and the free to play model is not a caritative entreprise.

And it's doubly silly because a large number of the people who don't pay in this instance are people who don't *want* to pay. F2P games let you try before you buy essentially. Some people are happy enough never buying anything. So they don't really count for this argument.

My main point was that when I got into a cash shop of a F2P game I don't expect there being super expensive items sold with the excuse that they are "funding" the developers.

If you want to offer funding options, than continue to sell the supporter packs.

Does APPLE sell super expensive 100000$ apps in the App Store so Apple fans can fund them?

Im just saying the tiered system of the supporter packs is not a logical de facto for the cash shop. To have some kind of tiers sounds reasonable. To have super expensive items is not.

Anyway I'll stop here but TLDR: It would suck to go in the cash shop and see items I can't buy at all. That's not my expectation of a free to play cash shop.

you must be new to free to play games. well you could always play p2p game. i am pretty sure almost every items offered there are free if you pay the monthly subs. some don't even have monthly subs like diablo 3 and guildwars 2. In the end your preferences is all that matter.

just saying.

I don't know, whats the point of having a cool looking pet for just $5?

It really won't be cool for long when almost everybody has their $5 flaming scorpion follow them around. I really think they should price the pets (even the generic ones) at least 10 dollars, if not 15 or 20. The less people who have pets, the more people would want pets, thats how these things work. Maybe people who really don't have money could get a small butterfly pet follow you around, but the prices should represent how much the pets stand out on the battlefield.

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Jim_Fear wrote:

For pricing, a kiwi is technically $25. I'd expect something in the range of $15-$25.

Except the wetas. 3 different sizes say to me 3 different prices.

Compeltely unnacceptable prices.

Its so bullshit and greedy that pet can cost full game price (Torchlight 2 for example amnd many more PC titles including older AAA) or month subscription to MMO (15$ usually).

Anything more that 5$ per pet is just too much and i will not but them. BEcause things like that are ridicolously overpriced (just look at Mervel Heroes preorder packs for example).

But we will wait and see official prices. But i think GGG will be just as greedy alike any other company.

I found this post a little upsetting. Pets like these are one of the few things that we're allowed to sell with our "no pay-to-win" policy, so we do need to make money from them.

There will be a variety of pet prices. Some will be cheap, some will be expensive and some will be very expensive.

Giving the current state of game, the cash shop will be more like donation so any high price is acceptable for me.
You donate to keep the game runing, in exchange you get non-power giving item just to show off your "title". You can even put exclusive pet (or few things) for thousand bucks there, I bet some people would still buy it.

Even more... I would make montly (or so) public auction made by you GGG, where you sell the right to give concept for new unique item (just like diamond pack now) for the person with highest bid.
You could get nice money from that if the game would be popular, where you still wouldnt sell any power, you actualy would add content to the game.

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Durentis wrote:

(...) GGG must be being greedy - and that's not fair to them.

It doens't matter much but I still want to say I really didn't imply that GGG is greedy as far as I'm concerned. I don't see the correlation because in my mind I was thinking of something like the iOS app store model. Lots of things at reasonable prices, means people spend a lot of money on them.

But otherwise yes this is silly.. let's see how it will shape out..

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DeF46 wrote:

It does not offend me and thanks for the thoughtful post!

No problemo!

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DeF46 wrote:

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Durentis wrote:

(...) GGG must be being greedy - and that's not fair to them.

It doens't matter much but I still want to say I really didn't imply that GGG is greedy as far as I'm concerned. I don't see the correlation because in my mind I was thinking of something like the iOS app store model. Lots of things at reasonable prices, means people spend a lot of money on them.

But otherwise yes this is silly.. let's see how it will shape out..

Of course they are going to have a ton of items in the shop for very cheap reasonable prices. Its just that Pets are not one of those cheap items, because making pets a cheap item that everybody can get hold of makes pets lose their value and the desire for them.

Its not about pets but exacly like i expected:

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You can reclaim effects (putting them back in your microtransaction stash) using the purchasable "Recover Cosmetic Effect" item which is also stored in your microtransaction stash.

bleh... what a fail.

So if i level up char and i want to have cool looking weapons i must pay XX times (because i will change my weapons for example) to transfer effect.

Not cool at all.

Its not about pets but exacly like i expected:

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You can reclaim effects (putting them back in your microtransaction stash) using the purchasable "Recover Cosmetic Effect" item which is also stored in your microtransaction stash.

bleh... what a fail.

So if i level up char and i want to have cool looking weapons i must pay XX times (because i will change my weapons preety often when i will be leveling) to transfer effect.

Not cool at all.

Because making cosmetic efects multiuse (At least five times so i can purchaseone per char) or soulbound and with infinite use is too much.

One time use cosmetic stuff its just wrong.
And i know that they are not one time use literally but paying for remove is the same that buyng new one. It just looks better in PR forum post.

Overall - no matter how retarded or not pricing will be - im deeply disspointed anyway.
And im already looking to these masses that will pay 15 times only to looks decent when they leveling alt.