[Athene] Path Of Exile = Pay 2 Win

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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Evlesoa wrote:

RMT is P2W.

No. RMT is going outside of the developers' set parameters to win. Pay to win, by definition, is when you can pay the developers to win.

If RMT was pay to win then just about every online game to date has been pay to win, which sort of removes the stigma of pay to win.

So, no. RMT is not Pay to Win. It's Pay to Cheat.

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skinnay wrote:

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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Evlesoa wrote:

RMT is P2W.

No. RMT is going outside of the developers' set parameters to win. Pay to win, by definition, is when you can pay the developers to win.

If RMT was pay to win then just about every online game to date has been pay to win, which sort of removes the stigma of pay to win.

So, no. RMT is not Pay to Win. It's Pay to Cheat.

and cheating is losing by definition

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Evlesoa wrote:

RMT is P2W. Athene, in this case, is correct to say that RMT allows PoE be P2W. Think about it: you farm, sell it to an RMT website, RMT website sells it to someone else for real cash, and boom! Win. The player who buys it re-sells it for exalts, and they get rich. Go figure.

He's right.

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Vincendra wrote:

First Video of Athene i watched which is informative and he is right.

He states that POE isnt intended or designed to be P2W, but the grindfest it can become makes it "You CAN, but arent forced to, P2W" through RMT. You realy should watch that Vid and try to get his core statement, which I find to be true.

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WAWAMELONS wrote:

Even if it's troll video, he's right. He made a few great points. Bots and third-party website sellers have made the currency we have a lot less valuable, so that in turn makes the grind much longer to get good, valuable items. So you're left with farming for a 100 hours to get $10 worth of currency or just paying 10 bucks. Bots and these RMT sites have destroyed the game's economy, making the item-finding a lot less rewarding, which is very bad for an ARPG. He's 100% right. Most of the people who replied in this thread haven't even watched the vid, they just read the title and crapped out a response.

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exorzist wrote:

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Kamro wrote:

No one in the top 10 ever does RMT.

dude, ive been playin poe long enough that i can tell you, they do ... i wittnessed it myself when i was in the map group of top 10 players back in closed beta when there was this race goin for lvl100 world first. so please stop trying to deny something you havent witnessed, and have no idea what youre talkin about.

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Kamro wrote:

1000 h of Farming vs Just buying a Shavs, but what if you couldnt buy a Shavs in the first place ?

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iseefresh wrote:

So I need to watch his video which of course is stating the "OBVIOUS"? That
people can buy items online from rmt sites instead of grinding? WOW!! He must be a frelling genius!!

No thank you, I won't give him one extra view count.

But smart move to name the video like that, I bet he gets more views this way.

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skinnay wrote:

If you get caught "paying to win", you get permanently banned, and guess what happens if you're banned? YOU DON'T WIN! Quite the opposite, actually. PoE is pay2lose.

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cutt wrote:

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Kamro wrote:

1000 h of Farming vs Just buying a Shavs, but what if you couldnt buy a Shavs in the first place ?

The problem you and other people with that logic have is that you think of the time it takes to get a great item like it's a job or some unpleasant duty. When in fact it's still a game that you're playing and enjoying. Now IF you're not enjoying that game, than you're playing the wrong game.