6L armor, best way on getting there?

Hi guys,

i'mn playing PoE for some time now(2 month +/-) and i need your help to clear some thnigs out. What is the best way to get lategame 5L/6L armor? Are there any calculations etc..? If there is any other thread focused on this problem pls redirect me to reduce spam.

I dont make any illusions that ill get my hands on some 6L armor before open beta, but i need to know how to approach this problem before it starts. I think that 5L/6L armor is the most expensive part of your gear, simply because it is the only slot, where all chars can get 6 linked gems. My plan for open beta, is to save the most of the currency for lategame, and then try to craft the best armor. Getting some decent weapon and the rest of the gear as well is not an issue(i'm talking about gear u can play with, not some imba crazy lategame shit - armor will be the priority for me). But there are several ways to approach it.

1. Dropping some 6S armor(ill be going for ES as ill play witch). Quality is not an issue, as u can scourge it and make it rare, use chaos orbs to get the properties u need. All u need is just huge ammount of fusing orbs(save all jeweler and alternation orbs for fusing, i think that at level 70 id be looking at something like 150+ fusings). What is the min ilevel of armour i should get? And what does ilevel effect? What will the difference be, if i use level 64 or level 66 armour?

2. Buying 5L/6L armor for all those fusings i saved, and just use chaos orbs on customizing the armor?

3. The best armour for my witch would be the something like: that has 10% spell dmg. But in this case i first need to use jeweler orbs to get it to 6S and than fusings to make it 6L. Now the question is, how crazy this idea is. I know i may need 300+ fusings on 6S armour to make it 6L(i have spent circa 100 fusings on one 6S, dont have even 5L so far). I dont know what the chance for crafting 6S with jeweler orbs is. Does ilevel effect this chance somehow? i know that for ES armour to have 10% spellDmg in pasive, it needs to be at least level64, so it can be 6L, but its all about the luck and chance.

I played D2 a lot, but the crafting potencial was not by far as huge(and rewarding) as in PoE(especialy when u played caster char). And this is the thing that keeps me going and enjoing this game. But in D2 we knew all the mechanic all the chances etc. In PoE i started blind and learned some stuff on the way, but if im to invest all the money from 2month playing, i'd love to make it with the highest chance :-).

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Adhun wrote:

I dont make any illusions that ill get my hands on some 6L armor before open beta........

I surely do not hope that you get that 6L before OB. That would be sad....getting the 6L on january 22nd and immediately getting wiped.

But seriously, as far as I understand from previous posts the use of Fusing orbs and orbs in general is completely random. So the chance to get 6L on your 300th fusing orb is as great or small as on your first. Someone did it in 15 orbs and someone spend 1200 orbs and still got no 6L.

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McHuberts wrote:

But seriously, as far as I understand from previous posts the use of Fusing orbs and orbs in general is completely random. So the chance to get 6L on your 300th fusing orb is as great or small as on your first. Someone did it in 15 orbs and someone spend 1200 orbs and still got no 6L.

I know that chance on getting 6L on 300th orb and 1st is the same, but its not the same for 1 orb and for 300 :) And i know that i can get pretty fu**ed by probability, but lets hope that i wont :-) And as u mentioned some1 who spend 1200 orbs and got 0 6L, well thats the question. If i'd go for 6S dropped armour and i'd get 1st 5L, i'd keep it. If i got 2nd 5L before getting 6L, i'd rather sell it, get some money back and find another 6S 66+armour(as it is not that difficult) and keep on trying. 6S5L decent armours can be sold pretty nicely.

If i'd go for 10%spellDmg armour, spend 400 jeweler orbs just to get it to 6S, there would be a great hesitation if i got 5L... and i think it would depend on my current survavibility and dmg effectivness, wheather i'd sell it/keep it or keep on fusing it...

Anyways, thx for clearing out that chances on jewelers and fusings are not dependent on ilevel(i know that for 6S i need at least ilvl50).

Does some1 know if there is better chance to get 6S armour using jeweler orbs or getting 6L armour using fusings?

I used a bit over 700 jeweler before getting a 6s that I killed right away as I was spamming the orbs
got it back 20 jeweler after
there's a thread about fusings but it's usually 1000+ fus (and someone's over 2k)
6s is way more easier to get than 6l, you can see it on the white drops

Caveat: I'm tired and sick at the moment so the following answer may be wrong. But in the absence of better data...

There are, I believe, 721 possible combinations of sockets on a piece capable of 6S. Only one of those combinations gives you a 6S so the chance, assuming even distribution, would be 1/721.

Given a 6S piece, there are 7 possible link positions resulting in 5041 possible combinations, however.. more than one of those combinations will result in a 6L. I think there are about 19 patterns that result in a 6L so the odds would be about 1 in 266 to get a 6L.

If I'm right, you're over twice as likely to get a 6L from a 6S than you are to get a 6S in the first place.

If I didn't have a headache and fever at the moment I'd give you an exact answer - assuming of course that the game uses all possible combinations and distributes them equally.

PS: To get a 6L white drop would be roughly 1 in 191786 by my calcs.

PSPS: damn order doesn't matter for the sockets, I'm off a by a good bit there.

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Omnivore61 wrote:

- assuming of course that the game uses all possible combinations and distributes them equally.

Well we all know that distribution of sockets when using jeweler orbs isnt equal :)

And there is more u need to consider, when doing these calculations. U were counting all possible links, but it is not how PoE works. When having 6S piece, u cannot link 1st and 6th socket, 1st one u can link only with 2nd etc.. so there are not that many possibilies(u can pretty much see them all after using 50 fusings :) - except 5L and 6L ofc :)). So i think that even distribution of links using fusings isnt equal.

Nevertheless i dont need exact number, just rough quess, to put equation between: chanceTo6S (<,>,=) chanceTo6L.

And ofc we cannot ignore the chance of getting 6L armour when usint jeweler orbs .... we can only laught on it :)

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Adhun wrote:

Well we all know that distribution of sockets when using jeweler orbs isnt equal :)

And there is more u need to consider, when doing these calculations. U were counting all possible links, but it is not how PoE works. When having 6S piece, u cannot link 1st and 6th socket, 1st one u can link only with 2nd etc.. so there are not that many possibilies(u can pretty much see them all after using 50 fusings :) - except 5L and 6L ofc :)). So i think that even distribution of links using fusings isnt equal.

With the links I was actually counting the line segments that form the links so none of the illegal ones were counted. Still though, since the distributions apparently aren't equal that throws any set based permutation/combination analysis out the window - eh well.

So it looks like we're left using empirical data such as Pam's observances. If you're on HC you might want to run the question by one of the crafters like null0 (nullsFaith, etc). I'm not sure who the crafters on SC are.

Here's a thread that, a bit over halfway down gets into it a bit, don't know if its all that helpful or not for you: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/54003

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Omnivore61 wrote:

Here's a thread that, a bit over halfway down gets into it a bit, don't know if its all that helpful or not for you: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/54003

AAA thx very much :) this is exactly something i was looking for. Just checked it briefly and found some rules im already aware of, but its great to have it listed in one topic as u can forget something easily.

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Adhun wrote:

3. The best armour for my witch would be the something like:

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that has 10% spell dmg. But in this case i first need to use jeweler orbs to get it to 6S and than fusings to make it 6L. Now the question is, how crazy this idea is. I know i may need 300+ fusings on 6S armour to make it 6L(i have spent circa 100 fusings on one 6S, dont have even 5L so far). I dont know what the chance for crafting 6S with jeweler orbs is. Does ilevel effect this chance somehow? i know that for ES armour to have 10% spellDmg in pasive, it needs to be at least level64, so it can be 6L, but its all about the luck and chance.

Personally I wouldn't use that for crafting an ES chest - you are better off using a Vaal Regalia with 175 ES base as opposed to that chest with only 140 base ES. Reason being that all that really matters on an ES chest is having as high ES a possible - 10% spell damage won't really do that much for your dps and is better off being gained on other slots such as your wands. And you would want an ilvl of at least 70 on it so you have the possibility to rolling the highest ES mods on it.

This will probably change in OB if higher level items are introduced though.