respec is a must...

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Maack wrote:

Wow.. uhh, I was just checking one last time for lolz about the "man up" thing,
I also still disagree that paying money for a respec (even if it only available one time per character.. making it just a one time "oops i hate this build" fixer) would ruin the game as yall say it would.

Guess I will keep tabs on this thread a little while longer :)

Since most competition is done in ladders, requiring a new character I wouldn't consider a paid full respec a pay to win, but ymmv.

If you are used to mmorpgs and to build and maintain a character to advance in content, you are done in an evening or a few days.

I would not consider the standard league, were you die and endlessly resurrect, the game part of PoE, it is the testing ground, the game part are the leagues, were you die once and retry or reroll.

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Sidad wrote:

What? You are saying this game is not pay to win? You serious? lol I wonder what all those online orb/item sellers are for then?

are you retarded?

Im not playing dumb if thats what you mean by your insult. Every player has that option allthou illegal but what can ggg do about players that buy/sell orbs/items online? Not much. So it can be pay to win if player wants to and from what i can see in game many do.

Seriously nope.

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Sidad wrote:

What? You are saying this game is not pay to win? You serious? lol I wonder what all those online orb/item sellers are for then?

are you retarded?

Im not playing dumb if thats what you mean by your insult. Every player has that option allthou illegal but what can ggg do about players that buy/sell orbs/items online? Not much. So it can be pay to win if player wants to and from what i can see in game many do.

Um...GGG will ban them. I'm sure they have plenty of ways of finding out if people RMT. I'm sure there are logs that show what is traded, and when someone trades 10 exalts for nothing, that seems kind of fishy. Just an example, but I'm sure they have ways of dealing with RMT.

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Maack wrote:

If you can create a build in any mmo that completely facerolls the game whether on the high end or low end of the game it is imbalanced and needs to be addressed.

Granted there are good builds and bad builds.. but if a one time respec kills a game in that manner the problem is that they allowed OP builds to faceroll content.

this is the problem, you look at this from an mmo perspective, which you shouldnt.
OP builds that faceroll content is what everyone strives for in arpgs in one way or another. arpgs with complex mechanics are NEVER going to be balanced, and trying to mmo balance them is pointless.

in a sense you could say that arpgs are about breaking the game. through vast knowledge about mechanics, monster design and their corresponding numbers. this occurs at any level of the game, and is in a way desired. every good arpg build has atleast a slight brokeness to it, thats just how things work here. however, builds that are flat out broken is another subject.

this might sound very outlandish to someone who is not familiar with arpgs. this becomes problematic for new players that come from an mmo environment. arpgs are at first glance very similar to mmos and this is were things go wrong, because they are infact not very similar at all.

mmos are basically all about the end game, the leveling process is more or less just some bullshit you go through once or twice. in arpgs the leveling process is a key part of the experience. adding respecs to an arpg makes the leveling process a very dull experience, as you could just choose the most powerful leveling build and every playthrough would be the same.

not having respecs gives your build another dimension, as you have to safely carry the character through the game, while at the same time building towards your goal.

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Maack wrote:

Seriously... I am not playing through the same content.. again. Just because the build i was working for isn't panning out the way i hoped.

It is even a decent money maker, I would gladly pay 5 bucks to respec, probably end up doing it a few times. Multiply that by how many players in this game?

I would even be willing to pay 10 or so if i was into cruel a ways or merciless.

As it stands I will not pay you dime for anything. I will not support a game that that forces me into HIGHLY repetitive content while giving some lame excuse as to why they wont make it a bit less so by not allowing a full respec option.

Only reason I continue playing now is to spend time with a friend.

I have only been through normal twice now and i already loath the thought of making a new toon.. that I might build completely wrong and have to start over.

Like it if you agree, troll it if you don't, I don't care... i got less repetitive games to play until my friend logs back on. Sucks i got to keep playing a build I don't really enjoy anymore to keep our duo going though :P

Well this game is designed to be played through multiple times with scaling difficulty. Its not too hard to lvl up to merciless 3rd act where it starts to get a little harder if you are not well build/equipped but yea thats usually when you notice that you have to change some skill points around. Thats why you get free respec points while playing games quests. Any extra you have to use regret orbs but its usually better to start new char get op lvl unique and faceroll content until you hit merciless. If you are unsure what to use skill points for than find build you like on forum and follow that build guide. Helps a lot and makes game much easier to play. I just lvl up my duelist using unique 2h sword/axe. I used lvl 33 unique 2h axe all the way up to merciless map Imperial Gardens. Infernal blow+ culling strike is op.

IMO opinion players should have an option to respec if they want to do so at least in standard league. Not everyone is hardcore or blind fanboi.

Well, i see your point there... i am definitely coming from an mmo background.

I do however enjoy the gameplay here though, and the passive tree is a pretty cool concept i would have alot of fun messing around with, i just cant get past the startover concept messing around with the tree would require.

Someone stated before that normal play is just the training ground and the real game lies in the hardcore modes.

Would it still be too much to ask to allow the respec in normal modes only? For the 'training ground' concept?

Seriously i would like to get at least one character through merciless before i completely nix this game.. and i dont really care for the races or hardcore, I just like to play the game. It would be much more fun to do so if i could adjust my build as needed.

EDIT: for post above this one.. I would never use a build guide... that takes away the fun of building a character.. it was your ideas your build and they work well or they dont. Which is why a respec is a big deal for me, for the times they dont :P

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KaTet wrote:

Um...GGG will ban them. I'm sure they have plenty of ways of finding out if people RMT. I'm sure there are logs that show what is traded, and when someone trades 10 exalts for nothing, that seems kind of fishy. Just an example, but I'm sure they have ways of dealing with RMT.

You serious? lol I didnt know they have resources to go through countless logs and chase people using online orb sellers lol I guess thats why online sellers are doing so bad. lol 5k for an item anyone? lol 1k for mirror. Any diamond online sellers supporters here? No? I dont think so.

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Maack wrote:

well, reading the last few posts i think nailed it for me, this is just not my genre. A shame though cause it was fun the first couple of times through... I just dont much enjoy it when i have done it enough to know it by heart, like reading a book twice, I cant do it.

Enjoy your game, i aint so selfish to try and ruin it for yall based on my opinion (not that GGG would listen to me anyway... just the principle).


Later :D

Maybe I will get to merciless with my friend, Minion master is getting tedious though.. idk if i will make it QQ

Respect from me from coming to that conclusion, that's "man up" enough for me :)