Am I actually enjoying D3???
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anubite - Your only mistake is thinking that what holds true for you is true for everybody.
You called GoW a button masher with QTE - which it is. It's not of any interest to you, but there are those who see there a combo system which requires skill to pull off and thought into what sequence of combos is best for a particular situation. You've even got guys playing VS fighting games and analyzing moves measured in milliseconds. They enjoy it, you don't. Neither of you is wrong. For me RPGs are not about finding a perfect build and solving a puzzle. They're about playing a role in the game's world. I don't pick up Baldur's Gate or Dragon Age and think - okay, what's the most OP build I can get here? I pick them up and ask myself 'Who do I want my character to be?'. So for example my Dragon age character is a Human noble who's been overshadowed by his warrior brother and felt the need to become a better fighter. Hence - Dual wielding duelist rogue with Bard sprinkled on top (To tell people about how AWESOME he is). He's not an Arcane Warrior Blood Mage (That's the optimal build in DA for most people). D3 is more of a GoW than PoE. People who enjoy it are wired differentely - that doesn't mean they're wrong. My wife is happily playing Nightmare in D3 at the moment. She has never played more than act 1 in D2 nightmare. The reason for this is simple, in D2 when you dinged 30 you had all the tools you'll ever have. From that moment on it became uninteresting for her. In D3 the new skills continure all the way to 60. The look on her face when the her favourite skill got a cool new rune was priceless. |
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" You seem to assume that if you don't make permanent choices then you don't make choices at all and it's not an RPG. Well, that's simply not true. It doesn't even begin to make sense. Just because they are not permanent doesn't mean that you don't make choices and compromises. There is no reason why the game is broken just because you can change your "role". It obviously depends on the game... So you are just not making any sense. " You still have to figure that optimal solution out, and then use it to beat the game. To say that the game has beaten itself isridiculous and a fantastic leap in logic. |
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" It ruins the replay value completely. Its an useless game because of this. Yes they are choices, but what is the damn point man? You are a one man army. It is retarded. Only point in making it like this was that they wanted to make it easier for noobs to understand it. There is no real other point to it at all. Its a NOOB game because of this. You dont change your role, you make your role, and thats what ARPGS are about. Unfortunately noobs (And Jay Wilson who is also a noob.) hated this. |
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Actually, being able to respec at will has nothing to do with noobism.
Consider LOTRO for example. I can respec my warden at will and trait him for Tanking, DPSing or med-range DPS/Support. The big difference is that in LOTRO there's end game content. In D3 as it stands right now there's nothing to do except for grinding away Paragon levels. As I see it, if (and that's a HUGE if) D3 will evolve end-game wise to be a game of Skill and not Grinding - it will be okay. Because nothing will convince me that building a char in D2 for X00 hours and having it become unplayable because of the latest patch is fun. |
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" Maybe if they had designed the skill tree in a non-fucktarded way, then there would be other things to do than to just grind for fucktarded paragon levels. WTF is the point with paragon levels? I never got nerfed in D2.... Thats just bad luck i can understand that. It must suck, but at least D2 has 10 times more replay value than One Man Fucktarded Ablo 3. |
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" Forgive me to expect Diablo 3 be a game a thinking man wants to play, then! I guess you're right. This is something that only applies to a very vocal minority of people and I'm sure every one of those six million who bought D3 thought it was a grand step up from the original. " Excel. In like an hour or two. How do you think Kripp beat hardcore with how insane it was back then? Because he abused some broken mechanic or two and had a few people help him farm. The game was pitiful, easy, because it allowed you to have the optimal solution in one thousandth the time it would otherwise take. And no, by having 'free respec all the time' choices completely lose their meaning. Could you please back your argument up with a statement I can contradict? Because you're just making these blanket statements that have already been explained wrong. You have less choice because suddenly, you NEVER have to compromise. I can specialize my Marauder to be good at shield and 1h, equip a good shield and 1h, then go take down a boss that is weak to a shield + 1h bulid. I can then specialize into two-handed and deal with the next boss. et cetera When we are forced to make compromises, to make a general strategy that can handle a variety of encounters - then we have a game. When our strategy is to just change our specialization every time we encounter a new difficulty, when strategy X has no downside because it can always be implemented on the fly with no strings attached, you no longer have any kind of a game I want to play. Strategy requires compromise to work. Through restriction, you force players to utilize strategies that are very risky, but come with a big pay off. But why take risks, why give up certain things, when you can have it all? Only if you're just gimping yourself to make the game harder, which is never fun and doesn't feel fair. Because you know everyone else playing the game is exploiting the most optimal build. My Keystone Ideas: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/744282 Last edited by anubite#0701 on Nov 26, 2012, 7:42:29 AM
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In D3 you can play : One Man Army Fucktarded Demon Hunter, One Man Army Fucktarded Witch Doctor, One Man Army Fucktarded Barb, One Man Army Fucktarded Wizzard and One Man Army Fucktarded Monk.
That is it. One single character in PoE has 10 times more options than all these 5 Fucktarded One Man Army builds. Here is a guide for a Fucktarded Barb build: LvL your Barb to lvl 60. Here is a guide for a Fucktarded Demon Hunter build: LvL your Demon Hunter to lvl 60. Here is a guide for a Fucktarded Monk build: LvL your Monk to lvl 60. Here is a guide for a Fucktarded Wizard build: LvL your Wizard to lvl 60, and use two handed mace weapons as fucking Wands Here is a guide for a Fucktarded Witch Doctor build: LvL your Witch Doctor to lvl 60, and use two handed mace weapons as fucking Wands. |
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anubite: If you expected D3 to be a "Thinking man's game" you have clearly not played the first two...
I'm sorry, but you don't go into a burger joint expecting a three michelin star meal unless it clearly states it's a three star restaurant. About the game beating itself, that's an over simplification. You can say the same thing about PoE, D2 or any other game in existence besides Dwarf Fortress. FireSkull: First of all, easy on the language. Second, there isn't any point to your drivel. Of course you're a one man army, you're supposed to be able to beat the game solo. I remind you that in D1 you could equip a Mage only in cursed gear and still mop the floor with EVERYONE. Well, I lie. Triple Immunes were a bugger. |
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" Dude being a one man army is one of the things that ruined the game. There is nothing challenging about D3 at all because of this. Its just farm. |
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" Actually, the difference is LOTRO is an MMO. I'd elaborate on why that matters but I am sort of hoping I don't have to. --- Still enjoying D3, Trapper? Hope so. Was very glad to hear it. Not so glad that, of course, your warily happy thread has turned into, oh yes, ANOTHER D3 DEBATE THREAD. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. |
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