Main story speculation

I completely missed it but remember it now. Piety DID get swallowed by a blood vortex on death. And we all know villains that you dont see dead 100% in fiction, can have a tendency to come back. Maybe Piety made some deal with this dark being?

Can we agree that the dark being which is mentioned is a real physical thing from the pieces of evidence we have?

Also - is it plausible that the God Dominus worships, is this dark being - or atleast - Dominus thinks it is? Im pretty sure Dominus says something like "Have you ever watched the true face of God exile?"

Another thing that may be of importance. If you look closely when removing the Vaal seal, it depicts a round vortex. Same blood vortex that swallows Piety and Dominus?


"
PolarisOrbit wrote:
I think they overdid the Scion's narrative on dreams. If this is just a dream world (or dream world made real) that's so lame.

My theory is that Dominus was insane. Claiming the world is an illusion is the kind of thing someone who dreams of being powerful would say, as a justification for why they don't fit in the world the way they think they should. But Dominus already has significant formal political power (also magical power, apparently), which makes it pretty inconsistent for him to believe the world is anything but real. The best way to explain that away is to say he was just insane.


I agree. The whole world being a dreamworld "matrix" style thing would be ridicolously lame. Then again, Dominus simply being Insane would be kinda lame also? :) So hopefully we are missing something.

I bet the devs are having a blast watching those of us enslaved by the lore trying to unravel it, tormented with questions. I think they did a great job at presenting the lore with subtle hints.

I am a big HP Lovecraft fan and I love dark fantasy. Im really hoping the devs have something truly repulsive, horrible and mindbreakingly spine-chilling horror for us as to what comes next.
"
Ouroboros226 wrote:
I agree. The whole world being a dreamworld "matrix" style thing would be ridicolously lame. Then again, Dominus simply being Insane would be kinda lame also? :) So hopefully we are missing something.


Yea, but Dominus is just 1 character and we already killed him so it's confining the "lameness" to just 1 character versus it being the whole world is a lot more palatable.

Side note: I wish they would name more things in the lore with less than 3 syllables. It's so hard to keep track of everything when the names are all complex nouns with no basis in any pre-existant mythology.
"
PolarisOrbit wrote:
"
Ouroboros226 wrote:
I agree. The whole world being a dreamworld "matrix" style thing would be ridicolously lame. Then again, Dominus simply being Insane would be kinda lame also? :) So hopefully we are missing something.


Yea, but Dominus is just 1 character and we already killed him so it's confining the "lameness" to just 1 character versus it being the whole world is a lot more palatable.

Side note: I wish they would name more things in the lore with less than 3 syllables. It's so hard to keep track of everything when the names are all complex nouns with no basis in any pre-existant mythology.


Agreed.

Do you have any ideas yourself on what the answers might be? Id theorycraft more but my own head is spinning already x)
Dominus is supposed to be back on Oriath? Why's he here in Wraeclast?
How to make a build: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/510084
Current guides: N/A
I think OP is probably right.

I feel like Scion was always meant to be the main character and that her lines were written before anyone else's.

She says nightmare a lot. It's difficult for me to like a character who repeats themselves so often. Probably why I'm not playing Scion atm.
"
Kirielis wrote:
Dominus is supposed to be back on Oriath? Why's he here in Wraeclast?


IIRR Dominus took General gravicus, piety and his ebony legion to wraeclast to unravel its secrets and powers. But Im unsure when they depart compared to the time you are sent yourself.

Dominus sending exiles to Wraeclast could be part of some more intricate plot than just to "punnish criminals". Maybe he wants the exiles to break through the island as a diversion, to do reseatch on them or some other sinister purpose.

Ofc all this is just speculation :P
Sorry I don't really have a theory, but I do have some scattered ideas:
-Virtue gems alter the characteristics of a person. Equip a Fireball gem and suddenly learn how to cast fireball. Unequip gem and forget how to cast fireball. Anyone can use the virtue gem, it doesn't have a "chosen one."
-Consider the name... Virtue gem. Light and dark is a common theme, might there be anti-virtue gems with otherwise similar properties? This seems like something Fidelitas, Piety, and probably Dominus are all eligible to have used or want to use.
-This sets up a good vs. evil theme. Exiles have virtue gems (maybe from the Vaal? Azmeri probably impacted by it as well). Bad guys are making or trying to make sin gems, which have the benefit of doing whatever they want but have the side effect of insanity. Kind of like Bioshock/Rapture theme.
One other thing that has been bothering me. When you remove the ancienct seal, the darkness affects the entire world area it seems. And killing the Vaal Oversoul removes it.

Spoiler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-soul
I wonder if something in this philosophy is taken as inspiration for the devs. Speculation and interpretation but:

Maybe the Vaal oversoul contained all the souls of the vaal? That their experiments was an attempt to "become one soul"?

Emerson's concept of the over-soul is the bridge, or the unifier, that connects man, nature, and God

So I think the vaal tried to become one with god. Now consider this. If dominus thought the dark being was god, couldnt the vaal have done the same? I believe the dark being tricked the vaal to sacrifice themselves.


But that still doesent explain the darkness. What is the connection between the seal releasing the darkness, and the vaal oversoul construct?

The seal has the blood vortex emblem beneath it, the same that ate piety and dominus.
That seal released the darkness.
Killing the Vaal oversoul stops the darkness.

Maybe the souls of the vaal was transfered to the construct upon releasing the seal and killing the oversoul banished the spirits of the vaal... but that sounds too simple.

"
PolarisOrbit wrote:
Sorry I don't really have a theory, but I do have some scattered ideas:
-Virtue gems alter the characteristics of a person. Equip a Fireball gem and suddenly learn how to cast fireball. Unequip gem and forget how to cast fireball. Anyone can use the virtue gem, it doesn't have a "chosen one."
-Consider the name... Virtue gem. Light and dark is a common theme, might there be anti-virtue gems with otherwise similar properties? This seems like something Fidelitas, Piety, and probably Dominus are all eligible to have used or want to use.
-This sets up a good vs. evil theme. Exiles have virtue gems (maybe from the Vaal? Azmeri probably impacted by it as well). Bad guys are making or trying to make sin gems, which have the benefit of doing whatever they want but have the side effect of insanity. Kind of like Bioshock/Rapture theme.


Sounds plausible. The problem with this IMO is that setting up a good vs evil - black and white story, kinda violates the dark fantasy theme of morally gray characters? I might be wrong ofcourse.
"
CharanJaydemyr wrote:
Think about Dominus' speech to the Exile in the Open Beta trailer.

There's definitely something going on regarding the exile program, so to speak. No common criminal's death could 'pave the way' to apotheosis.

Then again, I presume no common criminal could harness the power of virtue gems, kill a siren, unleash and then banish an ancient Vaal horror, and finally confront and eliminate pretty much the entire Ebony Legion and its top lieutenants...and all without a single coin for recompense.

I think Dominus was fishing with the Exile program, trying to find that one extraordinary soul in Oriath who would not only survive Wraeclast but harness it, form a relationship with it.

I also think the Scion is meant to be the paragon of this concept but fails miserably due to really bad writing, erratic characterisation, unexplained connections and, perhaps the gravest of sins, coming across as someone Dominus would have recruited rather than Exiled if he had half a brain. If she's that talented, that intelligent, that amoral, and that happy to treat Wraeclast like a theme park or museum for her own personal fulfillment...then she'd have made just as good an agent of the Ebony Legion as Piety ever did.

I cannot stand the Scion as a protagonist, to the point where I will not play one. So while I appreciate the effort made here, I choose to extrapolate from the original six Exiles any sort of story, and actually seem to come away with a satisfying narrative.

Then again, I found a satisfying conclusion to Evangelion from the tv series alone, so maybe I'm more than guilty of false conclusions based on...acrobatic interpretation.





Sounds good to me. Dominus tells you what a great specimen you are when you arrive. As if he was searching for someone like us. Though what is his intention? What does he gain from a powerful dead exile body? Assimilation? Some ritual?

The fishing theory seems highly plausible. But that may be just a sidegoal, they were looking for someone or something else in Wraeclast also.
I've been going with 'an ancient spirit haunting the land' since I heard the dialogue about Kaom in act 1.

All the talk of an impending darkness and "the eternal empire fell in a matter of hours" makes me think that there is something far bigger than piety and dominus at work here.
"Minions of your minions are your minion's minions, not your minions." - Mark

Report Forum Post

Report Account:

Report Type

Additional Info