Orb of Fusing and general currency problems

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Qarl wrote:

Hi Never_Nou (and others),

Thanks for all your feedback. I have a quick couple of questions.

If we assumed trading for currency in bulk was easier, and there wasn't such an obstacle to chaining through the currency types in your trades, and we assumed you could trade up to Orb of Alchemy (Upgrade to Rare) and Orb of Chance (Upgrade randomly), would that be enough to feel you had enough access to the whole game? -- This would definitely help... I feel this is lacking right now. I understand that you want to keep GCP/Exalts and other high currency items a "hard thing" to reach... but getting Aclhs/Scouring/Chaos from the shop would be pretty cool... would allow for a lot more crafting!

This would mean that adding affixes to Rare items would be something you could only do rarely. - that's fine... that would be worth grinding for

What would you consider the minimum kind of gear you should have after (say) 40 hours of play? - well.. I would assume at this point you have reached end game/maps and finished off Act II at the hardest diff. level. I would tend to say that you would have all yellow(rare) gear maybe with a mix of uniques and blue. Maybe not top of the line gear, but decent. I would expect to have at least 2 items with 4 sockets in them.

How different would you expect the gear of someone who has played 1000 hours to be?

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FaceLicker wrote:

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While it may please some hardcore grinding players to have such a bizarre system, for everyone else it just comes across as sloppy, confusing, disappointing and comically bad. Don't you agree?

No, I don't agree. I am absolutely not a grinder and I definitely do not include myself in your baseless 'everyone else' category. In fact, I laughed out loud while reading much of your post. It's quite evident that you have no understanding of the intentional design behind the vendor system. It's quite evident that you have no understanding of the crafting system and which currency is and is not useless. I'd argue that there's really only one truly useless currency in the game right now and it's solely a supply and demand issue. Everything else has it's purpose, and it's use is clearly stated on each currency item.

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The trader should not 'sell out' after selling one Orb, but should instead have unlimited supply - which they do, one just has to KEEP REOPENING THE DAMN WINDOW. I have no idea why this hasn't been SORTED yet, it seems incredibly obvious.

This is the only thing I agree with you on. It does seem incredibly obvious and it's the most annoying aspect of the whole vendor process.

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Secondly, is it really worth farming for 128's worth of Orbs of Transmutation (approximately 64 unidentified magic items) simply to purchase an Orb one KNOWS will LIKELY have almost zero impact.

That's for each person to decide on their own. If you really need Fusings that badly, then yes, ultimately it is worth it. If it annoys you that much, then you need to learn how to trade with other players to get what you want or create a build with a lot of IIQ and attempt to get the items or currency yourself.

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I am not interested in the Recipe system (fun for new items, but tedious for Orbs)

It is intended to be tedious for currency. It's quite evident throughout this entire post that this a concept that eludes you. If you don't like the recipe system, you certainly do not have to use it. Again, create a character with high IIQ and get the items yourself or trade with other players to get what you need.

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While there is a framework of a good system in place, the current system of currency is, quite frankly, silly, confusing and haphazard.

Act 1 dealers provide one set of currency while Act 2 dealers provide a different set of currency. Lots of unnecessary waypointing here.

Some Orbs form a logical chain to an end destination whereas others are isolated in their own little cul-de-sac of uselessness and others still are simply traded one for one:

Again, this is all intended and a concept which you clearly do not understand.

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(And what IS it with Orbs of Chance anyway, they are just very badly worded Orbs of Transmutation are they not?)

Orbs of Chance are gambling items, they give a chance, just as the name suggests, to create a magic, rare, or unique item. Orbs of Transmutation are guaranteed to create a magic item just the same as Orbs of Alchemy are guaranteed to create a rare item. Chance currency and guarantee currency serve their purposes and are both an important aspect of crafting.

I'm not saying that currency system or vendor/recipe system can't be improved. I am saying that you seem to have a lot of misconceptions and a general misunderstanding of how the whole crafting/vendor process work.

By the way.. here's my stash from just before the last wipe.

This is from playing on average 2-4 hours per week and without a single character above lvl 40. As you can see Alts are quite plentiful. You can pretty much skip points 1 and 3 in your vendor process. Transmutes and Augmentations are quite plentful too, so if you really had to you could trade them up for fusings as well. But again, if you don't feel that it's useful, then don't do it. The vendor/recipe system is there as an alternate method to obtain certain items. You can easily play the game and get what you want from drops and trading.