So after playing diablo 3, despite its many flaws, I think its definitly the better game
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DirkAustin wrote:
Wall of text, lol, didn't read. Nice try though.
If you're not gonna at least bother to read it, don't waste your time replying either.
I might not agree with most of what the OP said, but at least they made a reasonable argument for their opinion.
As for the OP, I think PoE is the much better game, but if you enjoy D3 more, go ahead and play it. PoE certainly isn't for everyone. It's meant for a specific type of gamer and if that's not you, then it's your choice. Or go ahead and play both if you want.
I could probably more specifically address some of the points you made, but will save that for another post.
Dude have you even played D3. There would be lots of possibilies, but i dont see how spam Sprint +BR + Whirlwind is more complex than any of POEs mechanics (to stay at the Barbarian example) or to make it even more simple, use Permaarchon. Also most of the moves feel completely the same.
About the lag: Try D3 Hardcore, lost 5 Chars to disconnects. Im done with that.
BTW, why is Tabula Rasa quite expensive if no one considers wearing a chest with no life or ES.
let me just throw a simple fact into the air, and see if you catch it:
Activision-Blizzard are rich enough and huge enough, to completely rebuild D3 from the ground-up today, and release it tomorrow.
the reason they are so rich, is because people like you like to give them tons of money, and keep doing so when they shamelessly rip you off, and you know it.
and you will keep feeding their greedy, fat pockets.
short-term player memory is the best player memory.
ask the CEO of EA.
you and your friends paid for his Ferrari, right after you bought the Craptivision CEO a new yacht.
he ordered it, shortly after firing the brilliant minds behind the old Blizzard we all know and love, and closing down their studio, btw.
Alva: I'm sweating like a hog in heat
Shadow: That was fun
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Diablo 3 has a better graphical engine,and better combat,but that's it.
PoE has better mechanics,itemization,builds,replayability,competitive PvE,versatility,constant content updates,ladder resets,no faceroll builds,dev interaction with the playerbase,and the list goes on.
While i agree with you about the people mindlessly hatting on D3 (the game has some strong points),saying that it's better than PoE is ridiculous,the amount of categories where PoE is superior is outstandingly higher
Wow a supporter talking about d3. This can't be good! He must be some sort of troll after all d3 is an evil game made be the devil! How could anyone like it. Maybe he rage quit and wants to make an angry post. Well you can read and decide for yourself, but I'd really appreciate if you read my entire post before posting (inb4 tldr).
First let me say I love PoE and do not regret buying a supporter package.
It has a great atmosphere and story, easily the best of any arpg, while diablo 3 probably has the worst atmosphere. PoE was a great attempt at an arpg with a lot of interesting mechanics and building that unfortunately is largely a gimmick. I really hope you guys at GGG can fix some of your problems because you really have a lot of potential with this game. It could be better than d3 but right now its not. I'd rank poe as the 2nd best diablo-clone ever made.
Now onto the part everyone is going to be flaming me about, why diablo 3 is a better game than PoE. This isn't about me being angry at GGG and wanting to hurt their feelings. I'd rather you interpreter this as criticism so you can understand how to improve the game.
If you havn't played d3 let me tell, the combat is a hell of a lot more complicated than PoE. A level 10 character in d3 is going to be more complex than 90% of what you can make in a PoE.
Path of exile is about spamming 1-2 moves over and over again. Maybe occasionally refreshing a buff or summoning something. The best strategy in the game is to pick 1 move slap as many damaging increasing supports on it as possible spam it over and over and occasionally cast a curse. Diablo 3 every character will have 7 moves to use all that behave very differently, this isnt even countering the 5 moves your companion will have.
My level 15 barbarian in diablo does an aoe puncture on a group of weak enemies, leap slams onto a a big enemy, uses a stunning shockwave on it. Than the enemy explodes into a bunch of tiny worms which I take care of with a cleave. Thats a lot more fucking complicated than my level 70 marauder who did nothing but leap slam for the entire game.
Chris you got a great character building system but its fucking broken. Make something where I can use puncture, cleave, shockwave, and leap slam all on the same character without it sucking than you got yourself a diablo killer.
Another importaint thing. The lag. There is no lag in diablo 3, maybe a little but certainly less than PoE. I've lost way more than my fair share of characters to desync. I think at one point Chris had a post where he expressed the importance of smoothness in action games. He's right. This is one of the reasons d3 is better than PoE. I really don't care how you do it but if you want to compete with d3 you need to be able to match their smoothness. Most players are going to leave this game and never come-back the moment their first HC dies from desync. I really tried to give your game a chance but after 5 (yes five) deaths from desync in a row I had enough.
Now onto character building. First let me say PoE's character building is a lot more difficult to understand than d3's. You feel pretty smart once you learn how it all works, d3 on the other hand could be understood by a 6 year old. I used to LOVE POe's stats, gear, and level ups. But the more I played poe, the higher level content I got to, the more builds I tried, the more I realized that had a lot of gimmicks. Once you get through the huge mess of the stat system and see the big picture you realize PoE isn't very complex. Despite its simple appearences d3 has a richer experience.
Level ups: Theres a few areas in the {pE tree that give the best amount of stats for your points, all characters will visist these if possible. Its less about choices than it is puzzle. Level ups in PoE stink. You only get passive points, sometimes not even good ones (+10 strength). Diablo 3 every single fucking level up you get gives you something that totally changes how you play. One level you might gain the option to make your hook shot have multiple projectiles. Another you might be able to give an ability a stun chance, another you might unlock an all new ability all-togeather. In Poe you only get a cool ability from keystones in d3 you get them every fucking level!
Orbs: It was a great idea, but just like your stat system the more I played PoE the less I liked your crafing system. The game punishes you for crafting, its much cheaper to just sell your orbs for gear. D3 has a standard gold currency with an auction house and it ends up being the exact same shit as PoE. In PoE you farm orbs and sell them to players to buy gear. In PoE you farm gold and buy gear from the AH, theres also a crafing system but its better to sell crafting mats. Sure you can play self found only (but you can also do that in d3) but the bottem line is your currency system needs some major changes. I guess once you reach the top 1% of the economy PoE's crafting system you can actually exalt things, well maybe not.
Now as for building your gear. I'm not gonna lie theres 3 stats in diablo 3. Weapon DPS, Vitality, and everything else. Only 2 of those stats are actually worth having. You dont find/craft good gear EVER you just buy it on the AH. Now Poe's stat sytem. I fucking loved it when I played, thought it was the greatest thing ever but just like I saw that the Tree was a sad gimmick so is the gear. You quickly learn that if you want to survive in HC you need to stop caring about every other stat and get resists and health. Theres a whole lot of ways to scale your dps but eventually you figure out what the best method for each build is and you realize there was never any choice in how to scale dps it was just a number crunch. Once I had created several high level characters I felt like there were 3 stats in poe dps, health, and resist hardly any more complex than d3. Yeah theres some cool uniques that sometimes let you do something other than be a tank but youve still got the problem that if your chest armor isnt rolled with high ES or Life its not worth wearing.
Sameone is probably going to mention that all classes in d3 play the same. D3 actually has a lot of builds for each class, but at high level a few of them are just way better than others.
This is a valid problem but it seems to be true for all ARPGS. Duel totem builds are going to die a hell of a lot less than say a viper-strike build.
Theres going to be some players that obsessed with creating a 'unique character' (theres no such thing) and they are going to stick with PoE over d3 for this reason. I think for other players d3 is a much better game. The combat is easily the best I've ever experienced in a diablo clone.
I really hope GGG can get their shit together and fix their problems you got a lot of potential with this game but most of it is executed terribly. I fucking LOVE GGG you have great policies and really put effort into your stuff. I've personally talked with Chris several times and he honestly gives a fuck about you guys and really has a passion for this game. However as much as I love GGG and hate bizzard I'm going to be playing d3 because its a better game.
Well that was a long post.
This game wasnt for you in the first place.Lots of your points (95%) are false.Wont bother quoting each segment.
You cant post better and D3 in same sentence.Thus making it a troll post,which i will happy reply.
D3 batb complicated?Whirlwind all the way to infinity?That sure is a great aspect!.................
As if diablo isnt spamming fest.The ui alone is 4 skills based only.Even here you have 8 slots for that.
You are right about d3 having 7 skills.And that makes you happy right?
In here you can choose an infinite amount of combinations,now with the trigger gems,combinations are too many to even count.You like it plain and simple.I,as many who play POE,dont.
And a game where you move like this
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr2Ma-YgmHY"
There is a jsutified lag.In D3 if you make a move,target is hit no matter what.Try this here.Thats right D3 doesnt even make this kind of calculations.It revolves around 3 stats.Thats all the game.
I am glad you are referring to level up system.Tell me,whats diferent on your barb,and anothers barb naked character.Tahts right.Nothing.Nothing at all.Stats are same,if you want Poe to become D3 in this aspect,this is trully laughable.
Character building?Wtf are you talking about?There is no character building in D3,you got a preset class,with preset stats and skills,where is the diversity on that?The illusion of chosing skills gives you a "build?"Or of the armor which you must rely on 3 stats?
Orbs is a great idea,and that is reflecting on both games botting capabilities.D3 is a fkin botfest so its coded side that allows such behaviour.
An Ah simulator,that may go but you dont know what can come with it.
And again.There is no such thing as "build" in diablo.Premade skills and stats are not a build.Neither items which you choose vit dps,and you are over.
You clearly want a simple slow paced game.Sorry Poe is not D3.Sorry that you are so blind to see it.Cya
If you havn't played d3 let me tell, the combat is a hell of a lot more complicated than PoE.
A level 10 character in d3 is going to be more complex than 90% of what you can make in a PoE.
I never once thought that D3 was any more complicated than any other ARPG that I have ever played. If anything the lack of stat points and the exact same skills that were handed out to each class made it feel less complicated to me.
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Path of exile is about spamming 1-2 moves over and over again. Maybe occasionally refreshing a buff or summoning something. The best strategy in the game is to pick 1 move slap as many damaging increasing supports on it as possible spam it over and over and occasionally cast a curse. Diablo 3 every character will have 7 moves to use all that behave very differently, this isnt even countering the 5 moves your companion will have.
From my experience the only skill that I used in D3 that isn't in PoE is the long cool down skills like Archon. I don't really mind that they aren't in PoE since I didn't feel that they added a whole lot. Out of all of the characters that I have made I use at least as many skills on each character as I did in D3, sometimes more.
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My level 15 barbarian in diablo does an aoe puncture on a group of weak enemies, leap slams onto a a big enemy, uses a stunning shockwave on it. Than the enemy explodes into a bunch of tiny worms which I take care of with a cleave. Thats a lot more fucking complicated than my level 70 marauder who did nothing but leap slam for the entire game
I have no idea why you would only use leap slam if you find it boring. Nothing is stopping you from using something else with it.
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Chris you got a great character building system but its fucking broken. Make something where I can use puncture, cleave, shockwave, and leap slam all on the same character without it sucking than you got yourself a diablo killer.
Call me when D3 has anything half as cool as the new trigger gems being released. PoE already had better diversity and now its just overkill.
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In Poe you only get a cool ability from keystones in d3 you get them every fucking level!
D3's system is great to hook players but I still prefer a system that has choice to it. Its a problem to me when you feel like your character is exactly the same as everyone elses.
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Orbs: It was a great idea, but just like your stat system the more I played PoE the less I liked your crafing system.
Crafting isn't perfect but Gold sucks ass. Its crazy how fast I became tired of farming ridiculously large amounts of gold for nothing.
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You quickly learn that if you want to survive in HC you need to stop caring about every other stat and get resists and health.
I don't play hardcore and this is one reason why. To me this is simply a flaw of playing hardcore. Its not nearly as prevalent in Standard where you have more flexibility to do what you want. D3 is always like this though.
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Sameone is probably going to mention that all classes in d3 play the same. D3 actually has a lot of builds for each class, but at high level a few of them are just way better than others.
High level is basically all anyone cares about in D3, heck I am basically the same way, I don't feel like a build is successful if it can't run maps solo.
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Theres going to be some players that obsessed with creating a 'unique character' (theres no such thing) and they are going to stick with PoE over d3 for this reason. I think for other players d3 is a much better game. The combat is easily the best I've ever experienced in a diablo clone.
The combat is great in D3 and the combat is great in God of War as well but neither satisfy my desire for a good Dungeon Crawl ARPG. Also I disagree that their isn't such a thing as a unique character. In PoE if you think outside the box some you can build something that very few people are running and even then there's some differences. That at least makes you feel unique. I never felt like I could do that in D3.
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playing d3 because its a better game.
Nice. Here is my opinion: PoE is a better game and has more potential. Its made by a team of people who have the flexibility to create the game that they want to make without only thinking about money.
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Wish my car was lvl 15... should try a tiny bit harder next time (or give up, that would be nicer).
Regardless of my opinion, I feel NotRegret's post has "some" weight. Sure, I might not entirely agree with it, but I don't go off finding every reason possible as to why he might be trolling and whatnot... This part of the forums is called "General Discussion".
But what do I know. Surely PoE is the "master game" in-comparison to everything else as people like to think, and has no flaws... Anyone claiming to find any flaws is instantly wrong in all regard :p
Path of Exile in Eyefinity: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1320584
So...a game developed by a couple of dozens of people versus a company that probably has a slave force of like 10k to do their bidding. I wonder which one wins out on the polish of the game. Yet they still managed to fuck it up because the top end went full retard.
Stop comparing apples to fucking oranges, just because they're both fruit doesn't make them the same in every aspect.
(Also, to counteract, a typical whirlwind barbarian uses like 4 buffs and 2 attack skills, talk about variety eh?)
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