Is Addiction a Positive or Negative Human Trait

It is possible for you to make a positive experience out of a tragic situation like you are going through now. My grandfather was a vicious alcoholic that beat my mother. She refused to be like him and I was raised without ever fearing my home life.

Pass on your love to your kids. It will help you heal.
There is a lot of intelligent opinions in this thread, and a lot of terrible experiences that I've (thankfully) never had.

I honestly believe that people should be allowed to do anything that they want to do as long as it DOESN'T HARM OR AFFECT INNOCENT OTHERS.

If you have commitments in your life. A job, a spouse, children, anything... you can do whatever the hell you want with your life, but don't go ruining theirs.

If you are a heroine addict, not many women are going to marry you and start a family with you. You're probably not gonna find a good job, and you will most likely just kill yourself once you run out of essentials to live. And so be it.

But if you BECOME a heroine addict after meeting a woman? After having kids? Fuck that shit. Then you have a problem. I don't care if it's your life and your body and blah blah, THEY ARE INNOCENT PEOPLE that have devoted and opened up parts of their lives to you. That's when I believe it's okay for society to say "Hey, you're fucking up. Fix it"


Replace Heroine with: Extensive Alcohol Abuse, Heavy Gambling, ADULTERY, any addiction which will leave your loved ones hurting.

You made a commitment to them, you made a commitment to things in your life and they made a commitment to you under the impression that you will continue to be that person.


I'm 24, and I honestly had a pretty easy life.
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I would counter that discipline is more important than susceptibility to addiction. Discipline is what allows one to overcome addiction. Discipline is what allows one to quickly adapt to circumstance. I have great admiration for people with powerful discipline.
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@skyscore

As someone studying psychology, you sound like an edgy teenager trying to sound smart. You can't even use proper grammar or spelling.

Try actually knowing a bit about psychology and how society is constructed before trying to argue against it.

And mate, if you REALLY think that addiction aren't real, you try coming off heroin after heavy use. You'll find that you'll go into a coma.

Come back to me when you lose family
members to drugs.


If you're someone studying psychology, you might want to loosen up on that rude and invalidating attitude. Easy way to be an awful psychologist.


Turns out psychologists aren't all necessarily nice or likable. They're just paid to be when around patients.
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bhavv - being anti-human in this kind of topic is quite common. There will always be an element of 'it's your own fault' to addiction, but you shouldn't let this completely dominate your thinking, there will also always be an element of 'someone else created this situation or hindered its solution' to the problem as well. By being completely anti-human you permit more leeway to the people who put you in this mind-set than those people who might, one day, prove that humanity is not a complete lost cause. You know, as if you're helping the Dark Side to win by assuming they have won before they have etc etc etc.

Hardlicker - That's a very sad story you present there, and yet another example of heroin's naughty ne'erdowelling. I'm amazed your mother made it to 60! Was it a life-long addiction? I only ask because I've never heard an example of a life-longer with heroin, all we, the general schmos, get to hear is about people dying by 30 or before on it.

I think MoonYu gives some excellent advice and comfort and I thank the Moon for that. I'll also add though that it would be great if you could find a way to solve your psychological misfortune from the historical horrors by some means other than prescribed anti-depressants. No long term good can ever come from such a product and, once you are addicted to them, you will never be able to find a better, more total 'cure'.

Mikekowa - Yes, you are very similar to me in all kinds of regards. I think we should bro'mate as soon as possible, LOL. But seriously, lol, although I have been lucky enough to never be addicted to anything stronger than tobacco (I class weed as less powerful than tobacco), I can admit to having a very curious personality, and I am the type who will try rather than take someone else's word for it. I have teased alcohol addiction. I have tickled gamboling addiction. I know from this, and other life-experiences, that I do have quite a strong addictive nature... but I am able to stop if I really want to.

The mere fact that both your and my experiences exist as, essentially, non-experienced in addiction, when the world offers just so much of it, does indeed prove that there is definitely an element of 'choice' to all addictions and that products should not be classed as purely negative just because 'some' of humanity cannot use the product without becoming addicted.

Veta321 - discipline is a form of addiction though. That's the process of replacing one addiction with another. The most common association with the word 'discipline' is 'military'. There have been countless examples of military men who, once removed from the strict discipline of the army, cannot, by any means at all, cope with civilian life and the negative reaction to the loss of their disciplined routine can be as catastrophic as someone coming off a highly addictive drug.


I think, so far, the evidence against heroin (generally) and alcohol (abused) is pretty much hands-down damming, that much is for sure.

I like that Mike has also mentioned Adultery as a form of addiction. Sex addiction is most definitely something which society treats appallingly with regards to knowledge and solutions.
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Veta321 - discipline is a form of addiction though. That's the process of replacing one addiction with another. The most common association with the word 'discipline' is 'military'. There have been countless examples of military men who, once removed from the strict discipline of the army, cannot, by any means at all, cope with civilian life and the negative reaction to the loss of their disciplined routine can be as catastrophic as someone coming off a highly addictive drug.


I think there's a misunderstanding. Military regiment is structure, not discipline. Discipline helps you adapt to structure and you can certainly develop discipline in a structured environment, but they are not synonymous. Trouble transitioning from a structured military environment to a loose civilian environment has nothing to do with discipline. Although you could argue someone with great discipline may have an easier time adapting to a dramatic change of circumstance.

Discipline is an internal drive that allows delayed gratification. Quite the opposite of addiction.
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I've just come to the conclusion that reading this thread makes me want to drink...not to the point of intoxication or anything just until...

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Excellent that you have mentioned Comfortably Numb, one of the most influential music records of the 20th Century. It is without doubt that art can benefit greatly from addiction. Some of the greatest works of art have stemmed from some form of addictive toxication, from 19th Century writers, such as Edgar Allen Poe, to 21st Century pop icons, such as Heath Ledger's Joker and much more in between.

Further, and separate from intoxication, it is even possible to be addicted to creating art...!

Take Pablo Picasso:

"One of the most prolific artists of all time, he produced around 13,500 paintings, even more drawings than that, 2,500 original prints, 1,000 different ceramics, and 700 sculptures in other media. Given that many of the prints and ceramics were released in an average of seventy-five editions (though the edition sizes varied widely), the total number of original Picasso works is over a quarter of a million."

And just to prove his natural addictive tendencies:

"In today's psychobabble, Picasso was an egotistic and abusive male, a sex addict fueled by his own insecurities and inability to connect intimately with women."

In the same way that other forms of addiction are often caused by a desire to escape a certain reality, Picasso would define his addiction by saying:

"Art washes from the soul the dust of everyday life."

Creating art was what made Picasso comfortably numb.

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