Is Addiction a Positive or Negative Human Trait
" Just my two cents here: Psychology is more focused on how the mind works, and then tries to apply that to helping people with mental issues. It's not a case of what is 'good' or 'bad' for you, it's more 'will this make them mentally stable?' These people understand how the human mind functions and for what reasons. They did the degree, so they are more qualified than you " Ok, no. Fuck you, that pissed me off. Addiction is very much a problem for many people. Addiction is defined when someone's body needs the substance they are addicted to, or they have drastic consequences on their physical and mental health. How dare you even suggest that heroin addicts aren't actually addicted to the substance, even though we can physically see changes in the brain that show addiction and dependency. No really, fuck you. EDIT: Before anyone retorts with statements like "but those are drugs" just shut up. I've saw a mans life disintegrate before my eyes as he became more and more dependant on video games. He stopped going to work, he stopped going outside, he stopped socialising, he lost his girlfriend and he didn't even care. So don't you fucking try and tell me that addictions are made up by men with degrees for money. "Minions of your minions are your minion's minions, not your minions." - Mark Last edited by ciknay#1000 on Oct 16, 2013, 8:59:27 AM
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" Here here good sir! :) I'll up the antee and say weed, video games, and the finest 30$ bottle of blended scotch. Last edited by Funkhauzer#0168 on Oct 16, 2013, 11:16:04 AM
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I can understand this could be a heated topic for someone who has experienced witnessing someone else fall by the wayside of addiction, but can I please urge people to keep their opinions civil - you know full well the mods will lock the thread if you don't do that, and that helps no-one, no matter how good your intentions.
On the subject of drugs, there are some very clear disparities between the drugs which should be made more clear, both in law and in social understanding - those that are addictive and those that are not: Non-addictive: Cannabis LSD Magic Mushrooms Unanalysed: MDMA Addictive: Nicotine Alcohol Heroin Cocaine Amphetamines And when someone mentions 'drugs' combined with 'addiction' one shouldn't rashly apply one substance as a means to disparage someone else intending the meaning of a different substance. It would be better to ask them which 'drugs' they are talking about first. One of the worst modern drug addictions is actually legal drugs, such as painkillers and Prozac, both of which escape the spotlight due to their 'prescription' element. Nicotine will not kill children. Adults, yes, but never children. Ie: someone will not go to a party and die from smoking a cigarette. Smoking does not destabilise someone's life Alcohol is an awkward drug as, in smaller quantities, it can be healthy where as in larger more regular doses can be lethal to anyone. Heroin, cocaine and amphetamines are, as far as I am aware, in a completely different league all on their own - as far as addiction and damage goes. Computer gaming addiction is an interesting topic which no-one has fully addressed yet, I'd be interested in finding out more about this case - would you say it is as harmful as Gamboling? (one topic I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet) Or would you say that computer gaming addiction is a bit less of a problem than gamboling addiction? How do they differ? |
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" You fail to understand so much at a deep level. What do you think it means to 'help people with mental issues'? Ill tell you exactly what you think it means, why, and why you are in error. You have an assumption that people who fail to think or behave in a manner that is socially acceptable or deviates from the norm are somehow 'less'. It is very much a judgement that takes into consideration what you think is 'good' or bad'. The reason you and others think the way you do has several components: the primary component being tradition. Since time immemorial our culture has propagated its belief system. Its embedded in our language. The average person does not question the true meanings of things. If a word exists we automatically assume the concept behind it is true, rational, non contradictory to other concepts which we accept. News flash, dont believe everything you hear. Words and concepts are MANMADE. They do not exist in the real world. Now that is not to say that many if not most words and concepts are a useful tool in abstracting knowledge of the real world... But i assure you, many concepts are but refined vagueries which hold absolutely no weight in the real world. These invalid concepts are often supported with circular reasoning and other invalid concepts as people across time have attempted to validate and make sense of it... which only leads to even more invalid concepts. It brings to mind chaos theory, even a small disturbance of the truth can be magnified vastly over time. Failure to rectify the system of such untruth can and will lead to a very unhealthy system. Very much like cancer. " What does it truely mean to be 'qualified'? For centuries the guilt or innocence of people was determined by burning them alive. Imagine a school in such dark times where students are taught the intricacies of defendant burning. Those who attained a degree were much more qualified than those who were not, correct? " How dare I? How dare YOU! How dare you try and tell someone what they can or can not do with their own life. If they dont value their own health, relationships, or social standing above their own personal happiness it is not within your rights to come in and judge. And as you look closer at the subject you will see that the REAL problem of addiction is not within the addict, but of the biased assholes whom judge and attempt to control the addicts. It is the social dynamic which they are trapped in which is the negative, not the addict or the substance. It is precisely the person like you who destroys the addicts relationships and social standing by promoting and propagating unjust and arbitrary judgements. No no no. Fuck you. For years i searched for deep truths. A thousand revelations. At the very edge...the ability to think itself dissolves away.Thinking in human language is the problem. Any separation from 'the whole truth' is incomplete.My incomplete concepts may add to your 'whole truth', accept it or think about it Last edited by SkyCore#2413 on Oct 16, 2013, 3:45:37 PM
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If society could not put taxes on thinks like alcohol and tabaco they would be bankrupt.
We thrive partially on addictions and illusions. I don't believe in society because it believes in an exponential growth model that a 4 year old could tell u is incapable of existing in this world. How does this correlate with the current topic? People are addicted to value's and resent change, one generation will chase the tail of the former, and illusion grows. Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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Skinnay:
Yes, that is my thinking also. With gamboling I get the feeling that anyone could fall prey to it at any time and that the pitfalls of it are completely different to those of a gaming addict. This is why I'd like more details about the case mentioned. It seems to be an example of an extreme. A statistical anomaly that is not representative of a wider problem, but, rather, suggestive of other factors in the person's life beyond the gaming itself. Wouldn't society benefit from a person who enjoyed being addicted to computer gaming if that society employed them correctly? Don't lots of people earn a living over-torturing themselves with computer games? In a positive and constructive way? Isn't this just a case of someone who has been miss-employed rather than a person who has fallen prey to a negative addiction? SkyCore: As I have said, I agree, pretty much, with your philosophy on the subject. I believe every man/woman is the sole governor of their own temple. However... your last post does suggest a dis-inclination to be fully receptive to applying general common-sense as an overlay to a philosophical principle. I don't think you and cinkay telling each other to fuck you is at all beneficial to either position. As regards heroin addicts there is most certainly a differential to be made. By applying heroin to the 'acceptance' levels of society you are opening a far bigger can of worms than any other product of human intoxicant. While it is possible for society to make heroin use less negative via a stabilised supply of a clean and cheap product, there is still nothing about heroin which pertains to a good 'reason' to permit people to think that heroin is in any way positive. It is most definitely a product which can kill a child on the spot, even with the best education in the world. The product has a phenomenally powerful addictive nature, which includes extremely serious physical withdrawals. So, with heroin, under what circumstances would someone who has full knowledge of it, go into a store of their own free will, and ask for the product because they know, for sure, they want to get addicted to it. And, even if someone was going to do that, should we really then allow them the freedom to potentially allow this product to be 'borrowed' by someone while they are not looking. I think, from a common-sense perspective, something like heroin is the exception which breaks the rule. I'm not against society offering the product to those who 'demand' it, but I have complete understanding why society would want to negativise this product and I don't think any single philosophy is strong enough to counter this particular product's negativity. Under what circumstances would someone with full knowledge of the product request access to the product from their own free will? What use could society make of people who chose to make that choice? Boem: An excellent observation Boem, and one that really cranks the debate up a notch. Yes indeed, more of the Machiavellian Politics. Governments use the negativising of addiction as an excuse to raise revenue on a product and then, themselves, become addicted to the product even more than the addicts themselves. I couldn't help but laugh the other day when one politician in the UK tried to win votes by saying they would "not raise fuel duty again until 2015" - I mean, really, you'd think at some point they'd 'have' to stop raising fuel duty anyway, otherwise it's going to cost $3,000 a gallon - which will bugger up society and cause mass riots and a revolution/war - because they know full well everyone is fully addicted to oil - and they are just taking their (ever greedier) share of the addiction - they enjoy the addiction just as much as the users - but, in public, they say "raise duty for the benefit of cleaner air and the discouragement of a negative" - so even the 'honest to good' folk are just as capable of the 'damaging lies' as the addicts themselves. |
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It would be positive if someone could be addicted to me.
But I suppose they'd rather snort cocaine instead. (b) Personal abuse, foul language, inappropriate subject matter, obscene, harassing, threatening, hateful, or discriminatory or defamatory remarks of any nature ... are not permitted.
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" +1 I fully endorse this awesome sentiment :) |
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Most humans these days are terrified of, or creeped out at the thought of attachment with another human that they'd rather just have a pet or do drugs.
I've heard so many people say that the need to drink / smoke / take drugs just to feel good when n socializing. If you need those things to feel good / cant get any satisfaction without them then you actually need serious help. Though I learned a long long time ago, video games >>> humans. (b) Personal abuse, foul language, inappropriate subject matter, obscene, harassing, threatening, hateful, or discriminatory or defamatory remarks of any nature ... are not permitted.
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