Another Rant about Reflect Damage

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EpsiIon wrote:

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haitu wrote:

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EpsiIon wrote:

I can draw many things from your post, and one of many of them that are likely is that you rarely spend time gearing any of your toons exceptionally.

This isn't about map mods btw, at least read posts before slobbering on the keyboard and making a fool of yourself.

I have had several times, had to leave and reset a map becuase theres a necro mancer standing in a hoard of undead and he JUST SO HAPPENS to have reflect.

When I have some of the best gear attainable in the game, and am 15-20 levels above a map, yes, I expect to do everything save place my face on the keyboard and roll through the map.


It isnt about simply steam rolling, some ele reflect mobs are down right nearly impossible for me to kill. Absolutely. Impossible. Some take me 20 minutes to slowly fray a mob enough to pull one or two mobs off to the point that I can go after the ele reflect with a lvl 35 staff becuase just doing that nearly 5 shots me. And Im an archer. You have absolutely no point, and are utterly lacking any coherent thought under then a littlee unbridled rage at the fact that people HAVE good gear.

Hey, next time instead of insulting me for half the post, maybe you should get to the point. Slobbering over a keyboard, utterly lacking coherency, unbridled rage? I have no point? Don't turn this into some insult game with me? You want an ad hominem? Tell me how many hours have you sunk in this game to have exceptional gear for your "toons," because depending on your answer I can say something like, "You are a lonely los-" I'm done.


I have found the problem. You think you deserve play through most of the end-game content with ease. You say you have to kite mobs away to pick apart the group. This is you playing the game. It is working as intended. If you don't understand my point then you are being ignorant.


Unfortunately, most of your post is just riddled with ad hominems, so let me just leave you with this in response to my favorite attack. I am not jealous of your good gear. In fact I cringed at how defensive you are.

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Xikorut wrote:

Except... They removed Iron Maiden from the Chaos Sanctuary because that shit was fucking stupid.

And where did it go after this? It went to the worldstone keep.

The fact is you made absolutely no point. At all. You just said get over yourself. Please. Make an argument or point to any, if possible, in your in-coherency, and I will tear it to utter shreds in a matter of slamming my face on my keyboard. Extremely mad people like you aside; I would like to comment on more appropriate and intelligent posts.

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Burgingham wrote:

It is funny how players that can only powergrind one click their stuff are complaining here how their high end char is getting screwed over. It is not even so much the content of their posts, but the tone they convey here.

Really, it is a paradox. On the one hand you people argue in a way that you are the ultimate pros at this game, whipping up builds with insanely high damage and all. On the other hand you are too stupid to come up with a solution against reflect enemies?

That shows where you are coming from ;)

I could agree that the reflect mods are currently a bit over the top especially when they are inherent to a map's mods. That however can be explained without insulting the rest of the player base.

I have a character too that could potentially one shot himself. Yet I never do. Know why? Because I think before I act and because I have some gameplay skill (not much, but it is enough for this simple scenario). Have a secondary spell of the opposite nature of your main spell. Come up with a nice totem that can take out such mobs for you. Go for some summons. Reroll the map.

But I know that would have to get you out of your easy mode routine. One little challenge and they all come qq'ing like there is no tomorrow.

These mods are there to make you think.

P.S.: This doesn't go out to all of the people posting here (as I said there is a real issue), but to the OP and one or two more guys sitting on their high horses for no reason other than them investing more time into the game than the rest.

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metisuneatn wrote:

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Dashtun wrote:

the problem of reflect is not the dmg is the mechanic of it

if you fire 5k dmg arrow on a mob that is not on the screen a proper reflect mechanic should fire similar arrow towards you - so you can kite

now you just take the dmg from something you dont even know its there - which is dumb

for melee the reflect should work only if they are in melee distance,so if i use ground slam there should be no reflect dmg on me - this way you can at least do something against reflect mobs and thats kiting and utilizing other skills,you will apply different strategy to beat the mobs which is what ggg should be looking for

current system of taking dmg no matter what is not well thought out

exactly

and for elemental bow users its the lightning arrow thats giving the main issue. ur not only getting hit by ur 5k dmg on the main target, but everything around it AND the extra 2-5 mob jump it does, and you cant always see what ur hitting

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Xikorut wrote:

Except... They removed Iron Maiden from the Chaos Sanctuary because that shit was fucking stupid.

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THEHORNEDRAT wrote:

I feel the elemental reflect is simply not doing enough damage and obviously needs a further buff.

My CI shadow, critical build, around 66%, ice spears, I haven't died once to reflect :)

You had approached this game like a god, attempting to rush maps like you're entering the Guiness book of records. They make you feel like one in D3 and TL2. But Chris has said that this is not how you should handle this game.

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MonopolyLegend wrote:

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THEHORNEDRAT wrote:

I feel the elemental reflect is simply not doing enough damage and obviously needs a further buff.

My CI shadow, critical build, around 66%, ice spears, I haven't died once to reflect :)

You had approached this game like a god, attempting to rush maps like you're entering the Guiness book of records. They make you feel like one in D3 and TL2. But Chris has said that this is not how you should handle this game.

Did you even read my last few posts? If I so much as -touch- the ele reflect mob, I die. I'm not a glass cannon by any means.

It reminds me of Wobbuffet from Pokemon...If you ever played competitively, you'd know that he was banned from most tournament play - he had high HP with low defenses and could reflect damage back at the attacker - there was no way to kill him without killing yourself in the process. Reflect in this game is currently much like this, at least for me. If it's on something like a Golem, they usually mitigate a lot of the damage which makes it OK. If it's on a monkey or something, I generally get killed.

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Invalesco wrote:

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MonopolyLegend wrote:

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THEHORNEDRAT wrote:

I feel the elemental reflect is simply not doing enough damage and obviously needs a further buff.

My CI shadow, critical build, around 66%, ice spears, I haven't died once to reflect :)

You had approached this game like a god, attempting to rush maps like you're entering the Guiness book of records. They make you feel like one in D3 and TL2. But Chris has said that this is not how you should handle this game.

Did you even read my last few posts? If I so much as -touch- the ele reflect mob, I die. I'm not a glass cannon by any means.

It reminds me of Wobbuffet from Pokemon...If you ever played competitively, you'd know that he was banned from most tournament play - he had high HP with low defenses and could reflect damage back at the attacker - there was no way to kill him without killing yourself in the process. Reflect in this game is currently much like this, at least for me. If it's on something like a Golem, they usually mitigate a lot of the damage which makes it OK. If it's on a monkey or something, I generally get killed.

damn there were tournaments held for pokemon?!?!?! I should have participated in them! I am a pokemon grandmaster!

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Mitch420 wrote:

I finally gave up on even trying to run reflect ele maps for the fact it takes way too long. I attack a group and after every 2 or 3 hits I have to wait for Es to regen before I can even attack again.