Why Standard League is irrelevant, and why that's not good for PoE.

godly 6 link 25 exalts?
you prolly dont know what godly means

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mobutu wrote:

godly 6 link 25 exalts?
you prolly dont know what godly means

lol, dont be stupid. Godly = 40 str, 2k armour, 109 life, 2x high res. Near perfect, Ive seen them at 25ex bo. Is that the best you can do for arguing your case? Question if I know anything about items? I have 12 characters in maps, over 2000 hours played, I own 109 life + tri res 6 link armours and Ive backed up what Ive said with sound data. People who talk about standard economy being a mess are simply clueless.

nobody asked for your poe resumee. because nobody cares.
if anyone wants to see something close to that then it just takes a click on the forum name and a look at "joined" field.

godly is godly no matter how you look at it. 25ex? i saw "nearperfect" ar/es chest like you call 'em sold two days ago for nearly 60exalt.
a fucking good mf ring is like 25ex.
those prices were unheard of after a month of open beta passed.
mirror prices have gone up from 30ex to 50ex to almost 100 ex now.
exalt started as 5gcp, reached a max of 15-16 and is now 12-13gcp
eternal gone up from 2ex to almost 5ex now.
shavrone price has gone up constantly since its addition in the game.
etc.

sound data? stable economy? you make me laugh
and ofcourse, dumping dead hardcores and ALL anarchy when it ends is gonna do marvellous things to standard, right?
but please keep use the word "clueless" maybe you'll find out what it means for yourself.

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mobutu wrote:

nobody asked for your poe resumee. because nobody cares.
if anyone wants to see something close to that then it just takes a click on the forum name and a look at "joined" field.

godly is godly no matter how you look at it. 25ex? i saw "nearperfect" ar/es chest like you call 'em sold two days ago for nearly 60exalt.
a fucking good mf ring is like 25ex.
those prices were unheard of after a month of open beta passed.
mirror prices have gone up from 30ex to 50ex to almost 100 ex now.
exalt started as 5gcp, reached a max of 15-16 and is now 12-13gcp
eternal gone up from 2ex to almost 5ex now.
shavrone price has gone up constantly since its addition in the game.
etc.

sound data? stable economy? you make me laugh
and ofcourse, dumping dead hardcores and ALL anarchy when it ends is gonna do marvellous things to standard, right?
but please keep use the word "clueless" maybe you'll find out what it means for yourself.

you questions my knowledge, I put you in your place.

I didn't say a godly ar/es chest, I said a godly ar chest.

Exalt started at 5gcp/15 chaos dictated by poeex (rmt website), when the market found it's own value it was 12gcp/30 chaos very quickly. It moved to 50 chaos, and then went back down to 30 over a period of 7 months, that's less than double and it returned to the original market price, less than x2, where as gold economies tend to shift by over x1000, and they don't come back down. That's amazingly stable.

Also, you are talking about the price of currency vs currency, and seeing as they constantly tweak the drop rates of one form of currency against another of course these values will shift. I've seen people selling 40 str + 2k armour + 2x 40+ res chests for 25 ex bo within the last month. There were also chest armours on sale for 60ex over 6 months ago, so that is nothing new. Whatever way you shake it prices of items have very rarely doubled, and doubled is nothing, absolutely meaningless shift in terms of a games economy, so is the price of currency against currency when drop rates are being shifted. Show me where a reasonable amount of items are now 1000x more expensive than they were 6 months ago and you will have a point, even 100x, can you manage that?

No, of course you can't, because all the leagues in this game have ridiculously stable economies. What will the league merge do for standard? Unsure, it'll bring more items and more players that's for sure, flooding the market with now unwanted items will probably lower prices as supply increases more than demand in theory, this will only work against the trivial amounts of inflation that have occurred.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

I didn't say a godly ar/es chest, I said a godly ar chest.

one thing is for sure: the more demanded an item is the more expensive it'll be and the less wanted an item is the cheaper will it be.
take divine, while its drop rate is lower (as in rarer/scarcer) than exalt, still exalt has more market value because divine is not used by enough players to drive the price up.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Exalt started at 5gcp/15 chaos dictated by poeex (rmt website)

exalt started at 5gcp dictated by true market value and inflation and rmt got the price to 16gcp.

and I repeat myself, if diablo 2/3 had it doesnt mean poe has to be that way.
those games had/have probably at least 10 times active playerbase meaning 10 times bigger economies and with that you obviously get more unstable economy (bigger inflation etc)

I mean its of no use saying just because in d2 prices rose with a factor of 1000x and just because in poe prices rose with a factor of only 2x then its meaningless/stable/whatever.
It doesnt matter, the economy in poe is at least 10 times smaller so the inflation will be less. But its there. Sure, its not 1000x but just because its "only" 2x it doesnt mean that's a good thing. Ye, its nothing when you look at d2 inflation but is not good for poe itself

imo comparing with a game from a different century its stupid, because I expect developers and game industry to evolve and not make mistake like poe by dumping ALL items that dropped in one league to an entirely different league. Let leagues have their own econmies, do not mess one up by dumping an entire other league into it.

Thats just not good, can't be good, will not be good, no matter how you look at it.

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mobutu wrote:

Let leagues have their own econmies, do not mess one up by dumping an entire other league into it.

Thats just not good, can't be good, will not be good, no matter how you look at it.

I think you are overestimating the impact of dead hardcore characters on the Standard server.

And I'm not afraid about the merging of Anarchy and Standard either. Anarchy players will come with their own currency and items, so they will increase both the offer and demand on the standard server. In the end, standard players will have access to more items to buy and more customers to sell their stuff to. It can't be a bad thing. I even predict that price of most items will stay pretty stable.

Also, I agree with Snorkle that the standard server economy is remarkably stable. Sure, the price of some items or currency drops when a new unique or recipe is introduced, but that's affecting all servers, not only standard.