Still no fix to phy reflect...(waiting for GGG reply) why are you encouraging bad play styles?

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nynyny wrote:

Playing a blue reflect map isnt an accomplishment.

Combine that with Vulnurability, Temp Chains, 50% regen, No regen, pick any hard modifier. You thinking that the fact that he can run a blue reflect map has any value shows how little clue about endgame maps you actually have.

Let alone that theres a reason that he doesnt play Hardcore/Onslaught. Would love to see the death counter. Builds like his are efficient for shitty rolled maps. A good build can play as many mod combinations as possible and has to barely reroll anything (Blood Magic being one, if not the only exception). Especially when Mazing 75+ you dont want to reroll the map just because it has some insane modifiers after finally getting the maze, especially when it has some crazy mods.

How about something like this with Vulnurability instead of -max?

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I was easily able to run it on my LL RF Pulser. Thats what efficiency it. Not being able to two shot a bunch of 72 packs. Nearly any half decent specc can pull that off in solo play, most even in group play.

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While this is true, his build is specifically stated to not be efficient, just fun.

Is there room in your 'life' for just having fun? Flickering around like a madman IS a lot of fun

How is something that is inefficient fun?

You keep dying, lose progress and time. You have to reroll half the maps you Chaos because you cant play specific mods and waste a lot of currency doing so, currency you could safe if your build was efficient in the first place.

Doesnt really seem fun to me having to blow another 30 chaos after getting the first maze just because two of the mods were Vulnurability and Physical Reflect.

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nynyny wrote:

Playing a blue reflect map isnt an accomplishment.

Combine that with Vulnurability, Temp Chains, 50% regen, No regen, pick any hard modifier. You thinking that the fact that he can run a blue reflect map has any value shows how little clue about endgame maps you actually have.

Let alone that theres a reason that he doesnt play Hardcore/Onslaught. Would love to see the death counter. Builds like his are efficient for shitty rolled maps. A good build can play as many mod combinations as possible and has to barely reroll anything (Blood Magic being one, if not the only exception). Especially when Mazing 75+ you dont want to reroll the map just because it has some insane modifiers after finally getting the maze, especially when it has some crazy mods.

How about something like this with Vulnurability instead of -max?

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I was easily able to run it on my LL RF Pulser. Thats what efficiency it. Not being able to two shot a bunch of 72 packs. Nearly any half decent specc can pull that off in solo play, most even in group play.

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Does reflect on a yellow map hurt more than on a blue map? /facepalm

Thats what efficiency it. Not being able to two shot a bunch of 72 packs. --> Efficiency in arpg's = killspeed. You must be new to arpgs. Your pos ll build cant match that flicker build, in killspeed. At all. You are demented. How long it took you to clear that map, only god knows. I'm impressed if you really survived it.

That map, he can eat it. He will go in with 7k es. If i were you, i would challenge him for xx exalt, to do something like that (provide him the map), he will probably take it up and stream / record it, complete it and you will be xx exalt short. You will eat your words I warn you.

That small extra monster dmg and ele reflect he doesnt feel. AT all. He just completed the new unique shrine without ever coming close to death. 150% monster dmg and life + haste mod. 50% regen doesnt matter, he is CI and he got flasks with surgeons + max crit chance + magnate belt mod + 2% mana leech. Zero mana issues. The only problem he might have is an ice shot or lightning ball crit with that -res, but he got vaal pact and 7k es with swapping abyssus out so no one shot scenarios and i know he will kill her in 2-3 flicker sequences.

Didnt see him come close to death in any of those videos, or when i played with him.

Give credit where credit is due

You seem full of anger, my child.

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Does reflect on a yellow map hurt more than on a blue map?

Youre right. Mod combinations that influence the amount of the reflected damage dont make it harder at all.

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Efficiency in arpg's = killspeed

It is. In Diablo 3. In this game its amount of mods you can safely play without pulling back or even rerolling. Clear speed is something that can easily be achieved with next to no damage nodes if you have the right items. You think that his killspeed is high because he one shots most mobs yet you dont realize that there are a lot of build who two shot whole packs so basically achieve the exact same clear speed. If he would one shot the whole pack ok, but he isnt.

There is a reason why none of the videos he uploads actually are from hardrolled maps. Hell hes running a BLUE TEMPLE. Strand, Jungle Valley and Arachnid Nest have horrible rolls.

His mana drops constantly when Flickering, he wouldnt even be close to being able to run a single no regen map like this unless chips in Mana Leech in which case 50% regen would be an even bigger pain in the ass than no regen. He even says that he dies to reflect constantly and thats its not viable in a hardcore environment in HIS OWN GUIDE. So why the hell do you keep acting like he doesnt have a problem with specific mod combinations?

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Give credit where credit is due

I would but I am sure his death count isnt 0.

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Didnt see him come close to death in any of those videos, or when i played with him.

6 minutes 30 seconds

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nynyny wrote:

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Does reflect on a yellow map hurt more than on a blue map?

Youre right. Mod combinations that influence the amount of the reflected damage dont make it harder at all.

Shuffling warlords mark, immortal call, LS doesnt matter with or without vulnerability. LS is boss for reflect. He obv used a blue map since yes it was easiest and he is not v rich. Like i said, you can always challenge him. Give him a map and he wont bother trying. I never said he would faceroll content, not that you do either im sure. But its not impossible for him to do any map. I dont care for your elitist hc mentality to be honest, i reply because i am bloody hard headed and i think i have something to prove to frustrated ripped players who have nothing else to do than waste my time and talk about godly they were before they ripped at 90 and alt f4'd a game every 10 mins. At least on standard, they DONT pussy out, even if it means hours of xp lost.

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nynyny wrote:

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Efficiency in arpg's = killspeed

It is. In Diablo 3.

lol'd at d3, what a newgen gamer kid. Diablo 1 and diablo 2 were so as well. All arpg's are. Its about killspeed when mentioning the word efficiency, please dont argue with this. Whats up with that map anyway, is it rotting in your stash and you just use it as 'proof' of how good you are supposed to be? Did you actually run it and record it? Who the hell wouldnt record running a map like that? If you rly completed it and didnt alt f4 that is.


He doesnt have mana issues, because of leech with all that that damage and flasks just refill so ez (surgeons, magnate, capped cc). Do you see him pausing to regen mana? But you want to find hair in the spaghetti, as we say here, suit yourself.

[quote]Give credit where credit is due[/quote]
I would but I am sure his death count isnt 0.

neither is yours, loser.

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nynyny wrote:

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Didnt see him come close to death in any of those videos, or when i played with him.

6 minutes 30 seconds

wooo close one there, didnt even see that ^^ fun times with flickerrrr

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Shuffling warlords mark, immortal call, LS doesnt matter with or without vulnerability. ......

You can argue as much as you want. Fact is he has a dozen videos uploaded and in none he plays a map that is remotely hard rolled. Meanwhile he himself says in his own guide that he keeps dying and reflect is complete pain in the ass. So who do I believe now? The builds creator who himself say that he dies a lot or the fanboy who apparently cant even read the guys guide who hes fan of?

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lol'd at d3, what a newgen gamer kid. Diablo 1 and diablo 2 were so as well. All arpg's are. Its about killspeed when mentioning the word efficiency, please dont argue with this.

Right, because surviving wasnt the most important part in a game like Diablo 2. The game didnt punish you for dying in multiple ways right? So clear speed definitely was the top priority... wait a second... wasnt there gold loss? And corpse running? And...

I guess you would want to do that a lot, after all you cleared some areas a bit faster. Seems pretty efficient wasting a shit ton of time, right?

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how good you are

No idea what game youre playing but last time I checked this is an ARPG, a gear grinder, it doesnt require any extra ordinary skills succeed in. It simply requires dedication and the ability to solve problems to make your build work. Going for a glass canon that ends up constantly dying (he says so himself) and having problems with reflect, a really common mod (he says so himself) is basically ignoring every problem you could encounter. You dont solve problems, you just stack damage and pray.

I am not even saying that he shouldnt play the build. If he likes it thats cool. I just find it hilarious that you call it efficient because it has a fast clearspeed.

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neither is yours, loser.

Welp, thats why I am not standing here telling someone to respect me for a build that apparently wasnt as perfect as I hoped it was. I just pointed out that I was neither a Sporker nor do I think that dying at 90 is early.

Didn't read the thread, stopped after page 2. The problem is, the OP thinks he has "40%" armour. There is no such thing, that is an approximation of the damage reduction against the last enemy you fought. What is relevant is your actual armour rating, and how much damage you do per hit. The damage you receive per hit will thusly be:
Damage Floor * ( Armour / ( Armour + (12 * Reflect % * Damage Floor ) ) )
..to..
Damage Ceiling * ( Armour / ( Armour + (12 * Reflect % * Damage Ceiling ) ) )

If that exceeds Life Leech % * Damage, you die.

Sounds to me the only thing encouraging "bad play style" is ignorance of the game's mechanics.

nynyny, you don't seem to understand what I meant by having fun.

Flickering around is a lot of fun.

You say the amount he spends to reroll maps makes it worthless

I say you are an idiot if you think that you would waste time rerolling maps.



You know what I would do if I gave a shit about maps (which I don't, I would play his build up until maps then stop), I would roll the map, since I have at this point a bunch of map chars in Std, I would just not play the map if its not viable on the build.

Wow, it rolled 50% regen, I won't do this with my wander because HE CAN'T handle it, but my fire traplar will eat that up, so lets go do it with him.

Wow, I still get the same outcome of having done the map without wasting currency!



But seriously, the build is a lot of fun and super fast kill speed. Sure, it has weaknesses, and it definitely isn't a hardcore build, which he says himself in his own post. BUT its a lot of fun.


And lets be honest, if you aren't trying to get #1 on ladder, what is wrong with playing a build thats just fun. Thats why I play my builds, thats why I play PoE, because I enjoy having fun.

Not because I want to be at #1 on onslaught ladder, or reach level 100, or play hardcore at all where I can't just have fun doings tupid things without being concerned about dying.



But then people who have fun playing games, this seems to be something you are against based on how you are trying to pull down his build that is a successful build, it CAN map effectively. Any build you name has some affixes it can not run, so why is his build not being able to run a certain map important to you?

flicker is definitely fun, its a sketchy rip build but its fun. I didnt find those clear speeds that impressive tbh, its decent speed but nothing that cant be achieved with a lot of builds.