Diablo 3 is happy to admit it has problems and copy POE & other ARPGs to improve.

Meanwhile every time a game mechanic change (and remotely similar to Diablo 3s) is suggested here it immediately gets trolled into oblivion (regardless of merit) because apparently complaining about poor game design = wanting instant gratification.

We haven't had any core game mechanic changes since beta started (and even earlier). All our patches are CONTENT, bugfixes, balancing and Quality improvements, which will never fully address the core issues plaguing POE. Diablo 3 has been steadily improving the machinery underneath the pretty graphics and it will overtake POE soon (tm).

Diablo 3 copying POE won't make it any less Diablo. POE copying Diablo wont make it any less POE (or become Diablo). so stop giving me bullshit about "hur dur this will distort POE into a d3 clone wahhhhh" or "go back to d3".

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kaross579 wrote:

There are definitely some good parts about Diablo.

The most notable one I think which I'd love to see make it's way to PoE in some form is the latest crafting system. Collect Demonic Essences, Fiery Brimstones, etc - crafting mats that are easy to get if you are trying, but hard enough to get that it's not completely trivial - then being able to craft account bound end-game gear. When I first starting playing PoE I thought the crafting system was going to be much more like this and it sounded cool. The reality is exactly the opposite, that crafting is so damn expensive that it's really more of a luxury for uber-rich players than anything else....this would allow people who get stuck in the 60-70 wall to progress without absolutely having to trade for twink gear.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

FWIW, Blizz won't get another penny from me, not while they are asking payment for an expac which contains much of what should have been in vanilla D3. And I won't be playing vanilla again.
So my D3 time is over.

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BUT HERE'S THE THING

In D3, when attempting to access content, if the content was too much for me, I farmed content that I was able to, that would improve my character and that was still challenging. My options were AH or challenging content. Once I was geared enough to do all content, I had access to it, I could access challenging content at will.

In PoE, when attempting to access content, if the content is too much for me, I farm content that I am able to, that will improve my character and that is still challenging. My options are trade chat/indexers or challenging content. Once I am geared enough to do all content, I find I don't have access to it, my options are trade chat/indexers or farm the hell out of low content for hours and hours and hours to possibly get a sniff at the RNG in the challenging content.

THE POINT
People remember D3 for its AHs.
NEVER, EVER, when trying to access an area in D3, did the game say "AH, lowball faceroll farm for hours and hours, or GTFO!!!" Yet this is exactly what PoE does.

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Thaelyn wrote:

I haven't played D3, so I can't comment on what is or is not worth emulating from that game. If there is something in D3 that would truly benefit PoE, then I personally have no issue with seeing it here. The question becomes one of defining a "true benefit".

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Slightly OT, but I'll add this as well, since the discussion is one about emulating what Blizzard does.

Spoiler

The input I'll offer here is that I truly hope GGG doesn't follow the Blizzard path. After the success of WoW Blizzard began to forget that it's gamers, not developers, who make or break a game. They got arrogant to the point of trying to tell gamers what they wanted to play rather than letting gamers tell them (you can sub Randy Pitchford in for Blizzard here, if you wish).

While they are not Blizzard by any stretch of the imagination in this regard, I find it troubling to see comments like Qarl's in the self found thread. To imply that complaints from self found players are essentially the product of "streamer envy" suggests allowing the pride they rightly feel for what they've created to act as a blinder. It's little more than an excuse for not examining questionable design decisions and makes me fear that they may be taking their first steps onto the Blizzard trail without realizing it. I hope that fear is unfounded.

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Tarxan wrote:

As far as I am concerned, Both game have issues, Blizz sold out to the RMAH, And this game is loot stingey as hell. The currency drop rate is a joke, And ranged classes are not really ranged. The Witch is the worst ranged class i have ever seen with spells so weak they could not roast a marshmallow. And the zombies remind me of the 80's rock bands all one hit wonders.
Then the lag desync is most frustrating. I feel the only viable build in this game is full out tank, Which is sad considering that solar system for a skill tree. In the end i feel the game is a bit over complicated, And as the old saying goes the more you over work the plumbing the easier it is to plug up the drain. The game has an overflow of issues...

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

The only great problem with PoE is hard-reachable endgame challenging content. I mean, high-level maps are very rare and you cant run them all time (or even 50/50) without huge currency investments. Sure, there are challenging low-level maps (with bad mods), but they just arent worth efforts (some mods combos can increase hardiness by several times, and extra bit of quality isnt worth that.
I think, that if player wants and ables to meet challenge, he should be able to do that without huge currency investments.
Ok, let's assume high-level maps are premium content that allows fast-leveling and easy looting of high-level item. But you can implement something else, too. Something, that brings less loot and XP, that high-level maps, but still more that low-level ones.... and is much more hard to beat.

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BrotherLaz wrote:

I think ARPGs as a whole have issues these days. D3 actually tried to solve the uninteresting gameplay of typical ARPGs and succeeded... but it's still a repetitive grinder, now with boring items too.

Challenges!
Challenges!
Challenges!
Challenges!
People replayed old 2D shooters for ages. Why do ARPGs still struggle with the repetition issue? Ha. Ha.

Diablo 3 has been catching up to POE on the unique item issue for a while now. POE only has interesting uniques.

Meanwhile, at the legion of doom....

lol really?

Are u really suprised people dont want a carebear league and an AH?So ye D3 admits it has some problems and all u wanna do is copy their problems?

The thing is D3 doesnt have many good parts to copy ...we already got the shiny light when unique drop but other than that....we dont really have any choises..

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MadBro_ wrote:

lol really?

Are u really suprised people dont want a carebear league and an AH?So ye D3 admits it has some problems and all u wanna do is copy their problems?

The thing is D3 doesnt have many good parts to copy ...we already got the shiny light when unique drop but other than that....we dont really have any choises..

>Implying Diablo 3 has absolutely 0 good game design.

Now thats far too harsh, even for a POE fanboy.

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MadBro_ wrote:

lol really?

Are u really suprised people dont want a carebear league and an AH?So ye D3 admits it has some problems and all u wanna do is copy their problems?

The thing is D3 doesnt have many good parts to copy ...we already got the shiny light when unique drop but other than that....we dont really have any choises..

Blizz will be attempting to put the loot find back in aRPGs. Something they obliterated.
GGG could have learned from their mistakes and beaten them to it. Instead, they thought to emphasise the problem even more, then go one better and actually gate content behind shopping.

Both companies could, should learn from the mistakes and successes of themselves and each other.
One appears to be doing that, to a greater extent.

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Hell_Bovine wrote:

Meanwhile every time a mechanic remotely similar to that in Diablo 3 is suggested on here it immediately gets trolled into oblivion

Then please tell us what D3 does that much better. Imo it's physics engine and the animations, which both are only a matter of money which GGG doesn't really have atm (they have other priorities). Oh and I like the MF concept of D3 better.

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Hell_Bovine wrote:

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MadBro_ wrote:

lol really?

Are u really suprised people dont want a carebear league and an AH?So ye D3 admits it has some problems and all u wanna do is copy their problems?

The thing is D3 doesnt have many good parts to copy ...we already got the shiny light when unique drop but other than that....we dont really have any choises..

>Implying Diablo 3 has absolutely 0 good game design.

Now thats far too harsh, even for a POE fanboy.

lol really , tell me what part of the game design could PoE possibly copy from D3? If u are talking about combat smoothness thats not a part u can just copy and it comes with time and money.I am not saying they have 0 good game design , i am saying PoE has better game design....
hell i love the game and maybe i am a bit too fanboyish but i never talk without thinking.

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Hell_Bovine wrote:

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MadBro_ wrote:

lol really?

Are u really suprised people dont want a carebear league and an AH?So ye D3 admits it has some problems and all u wanna do is copy their problems?

The thing is D3 doesnt have many good parts to copy ...we already got the shiny light when unique drop but other than that....we dont really have any choises..

>Implying Diablo 3 has absolutely 0 good game design.

Now thats far too harsh, even for a POE fanboy.

i love to here the good game design ?

paragon which destroyed the gold and mf build ? creating items in the future with 2 dead stats ?

throrns which was planned as linear dmg which got total destroyed with the introduction of monsterstrenght i had a 20k thorn 4k health reg WD 2 month after release which was able to play with dogs before the big patch to summons which showed another time the ppl were too dumb to figure out how to make them useful

shit3 and all the ah bugs which made ppl rich beyond imagination over night cause they could use the exploit the fake account recovery which created 100s of GG items which were sold for real cash

seriously i cant wait for reaper of souls to be released so the kids move back it takes a really special kind of ppl to get lured back to a game with a millions bucks trailer some fancy items which will make everythiing you have obsolete and a shitty new class and dare to take 60$ for it

invest 20000000$ on a raggedy car and you will have.... a nice raggedy car

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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MadBro_ wrote:

lol really?

Are u really suprised people dont want a carebear league and an AH?So ye D3 admits it has some problems and all u wanna do is copy their problems?

The thing is D3 doesnt have many good parts to copy ...we already got the shiny light when unique drop but other than that....we dont really have any choises..

Blizz will be attempting to put the loot find back in aRPGs. Something they obliterated.
GGG could have learned from their mistakes and beaten them to it. Instead, they thought to emphasise the problem even more, then go one better and actually gate content behind shopping.

Both companies could, should learn from the mistakes and successes of themselves and each other.
One appears to be doing that, to a greater extent.

this is true based on whats been previewed. However PoE will release in what? A month? When is the D3 expansion coming? Next year?

This game has definite problems, D3 has far deeper problems though, and despite being out for more than 6 months longer than PoEs open beta all we have are promises that certain parts of this game are going to be added to that game, added long after this game goes to full release and we get a load of changes to this games problems.

the lack of communication from GGG means we dont know if the problems we care about are being fixed, so we come here and post to put pressure on those issues. But dont lose sight of the fact all Blizzard have done is announce something, that game is still a million miles worse than PoE right now and you are going to have to wait longer for changes to D3 than we are in PoE.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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MadBro_ wrote:

lol really?

Are u really suprised people dont want a carebear league and an AH?So ye D3 admits it has some problems and all u wanna do is copy their problems?

The thing is D3 doesnt have many good parts to copy ...we already got the shiny light when unique drop but other than that....we dont really have any choises..

Blizz will be attempting to put the loot find back in aRPGs. Something they obliterated.
GGG could have learned from their mistakes and beaten them to it. Instead, they thought to emphasise the problem even more, then go one better and actually gate content behind shopping.

Both companies could, should learn from the mistakes and successes of themselves and each other.
One appears to be doing that, to a greater extent.

D3 is doing it now , PoE did it in the begin. I think we can agree PoE is much more worth being called a decent D2 successor , what they did was learn from the horrible mistakes D3 did. Now D3 is doing the same seeing it worked with PoE.

Anyway talking about this at a point where in less than 2 months we will have some huge changes is maybe immature? We dont know at all how things are gonna improve but this doesnt mean they wont.If GGG did the same as Blizzard and announced the release features 1 year before we could really discuss about this but now? Just w8 and lets discuss this after release maybe?