Chris promises no more product placement

I just saw that Chris responded to someone's anti-Razer product placement post with this:

"I understand that this post is sarcastic and refers to the Razer Footprints. We have listened to the feedback from the community members who felt that they don't fit into our world. The footprints are not the first step in a slippery slope - they're as far as we're willing to go. I'm sorry to everyone who was upset by them, that wasn't the intention."

I appreciate that Chris stepped up and said this. I am guessing the logo footprint won't be removed. I am not happy about that, but I do admire Chris for stepping up and saying this. You guys are going to have to do some damage control now.

The truth is, Chris HAD to say something. People have been leaving this game like freaking crazy and the last thing GGG needed was to put something as shameless as real-life Razor footprints in the game. But as they say, too little, too late.

To me, this was the bottom line:

There existed certain people for whom the following thought process occurred:

"Have I paid money to the game developers of this game?"

-> yes

"Am I being forced to see product placement in a world where it doesn't belong?"

-> yes

-> moral discomfort

GGG actually did something rather unprecedently "greedy" - forced product placement for people who have paid money to the developers. In all other circumstances, paying money waives any need to view advertisements. In this circumstance, people who are familiar with the logo are given a jarring experience whether they have paid money or not.

With this GGG and all it's playerbase takes a step back from a better developed game, because of better funding. Instead product placement could be immersed better with the gameworld. After all we are talking about products designed for gamers, not coca cola. The outrage caused by razor footprints made me stop thinking of this community as an refined and just see it as elitist jerks. A sad day for game development.

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so what do we have now
less promotion in the future
less funds in the future

which will result in
slower development (less resources)
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the occasional fix desyc cries ( having no idea what desyc is)

and all for what cause it doesnt fit in the world an you only have to see it for a fraction when you go to town ? seriously if you would earn your own money and something like food on the table family paychecks ect were on stake could you justify the bullshit you have been posted the last days and the mocking dude pepsi dude something

id love to see yourself in that situation and say naw i dont take the deal it doesnt fit

scary that this community is praised as 30+ in average

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lososthefish wrote:

With this GGG and all it's playerbase takes a step back from a better developed game, because of better funding. Instead product placement could be immersed better with the gameworld. After all we are talking about products designed for gamers, not coca cola. The outrage caused by razor footprints made me stop thinking of this community as an refined and just see it as elitist jerks. A sad day for game development.

This post made me stop thinking of you, lososthefish, as a poster with compassion, and just see you as a poster who likes to read selectively and condescend those with differing opinions. Not that there is anything inherently wrong with seeming as such a poster to me, but then again, calling an entire community "elitest jerks" because their morals are different from yours isn't the most flattering of perceptions.

Can you put yourself in the shoes of a person who tried several Razer products and had them break down quickly, and despite paying money to GGG, is now forced to be reminded of their negative experiences every time they log into town?

Can you put yourself in the shoes of a person who has paraded GGG as a paragon of the "ethical microtransaction" model, offering a perfect game for free to those who can't pay, and a way for paying players to show support, and then finding out that all users are now forced to view product placement every time they log into town?

Can you identify when a minority of posters are against a move by a game company, and the majority of posters gang up on them telling them their opinions are not worth anything, that they are elitest jerks, that they should [Removed]

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lososthefish wrote:

With this GGG and all it's playerbase takes a step back from a better developed game, because of better funding. Instead product placement could be immersed better with the gameworld. After all we are talking about products designed for gamers, not coca cola. The outrage caused by razor footprints made me stop thinking of this community as an refined and just see it as elitist jerks. A sad day for game development.

We don't want corporate logos on the ground of Wraeclast. If you want to inject some sort of advertising IN THE GAME, it better not harm the integrity of the world is all we are saying. This doesn't make us elitist jerks. GGG has stood out from other game creators at this time because they KNOW how important a hardcore fantasy game is to us. Modern day corporate logos have no place IN THE GAME. And Chris knows this. He made the above statement for two reasons: firstly, he has to conduct some damage control; secondly, he knows it was a mistake.

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ventiman wrote:

what a sad day a bunch of ppl with no rl conception wins

and all for what cause it doesnt fit in the world an you only have to see it for a fraction when you go to town ? seriously if you would earn your own money and something like food on the table family paychecks ect were on stake could you justify the bullshit you have been posted the last days and the mocking dude pepsi dude something

id love to see yourself in that situation and say naw i dont take the deal it doesnt fit

scary that this community is praised as 30+ in average

Why do heavy ad hominems always seem to be used against those who have complained about the Razer promotion...?

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so what do we have now
less promotion in the future
less funds in the future

GGG has weighed the pros and cons in their own way and made the decision they thought was best for the game. Are you implying they have made the wrong decision? Suppose, instead, we had
more promotion in the future
less supporters in the future
way less funds in the future
You don't know for sure what action will result in the greatest net profit for GGG. How do you know they haven't considered all the feedback and realized that POSSIBLY the most profit-maximizing path was to continue working on microtransactions rather than deals with gaming peripheral companies like this one?

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which will result in
slower development (less resources)
inpatient wannabees like the antirazor kids complaining about quality
the occasional fix desyc cries ( having no idea what desyc is)

Really strange that you would address desync in a thread that has nothing to do about desync. What's impatient about certain players receiving feelings of disgust when playing a game anyways? And what do they "want to be"? Moral crusaders perhaps? Dude, people are just having bad experiences and writing about it in a beta game in which feedback is invited.

It was a you scratch our back we'll scratch yours deal. With a company that makes gaming products. It would have helped bring in more players. The "unrealistic" argument is silly given all the other footprints. Gore footprints in town? Makes sense.

I am among those who would have NEVER RECOGNIZED it as a logo had there not been such an outrage. [Removed] Some of you could use it. So what if you used their product and didn't like it? Other people have used it and loved it. At the end of the day, it was good for the game, and we should care because you have to see them in town for a few seconds? That's silly.

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reboticon wrote:

It was a you scratch our back we'll scratch yours deal. With a company that makes gaming products. It would have helped bring in more players. The "unrealistic" argument is silly given all the other footprints. Gore footprints in town? Makes sense.

I have never understood this counter-argument. In a medieval fantasy game, there are warriors who have fought bravely and gathered great amounts of power, whether arcane or physical. Grand heroes of bloody might can very much conceivably have gore footprints, or have tamed a rhoa and imbued it with enough magical might to glow with mystical barding.

No amount of magic will cause a Marauder to independently invent a computer, graphical processing unit, mouse, keyboard, and then code his own gaming peripheral software called Razer Comms, and then magically imbue his footprints with it.

That is what immersion is broken for those who are aware of the Razer icon.

Is empathy really that hard for the average forum poster?

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I am among those who would have NEVER RECOGNIZED it as a logo had there not been such an outrage. I hope he renegs on this and partners with vagisil. Some of you could use it. So what if you used their product and didn't like it? Other people have used it and loved it. At the end of the day, it was good for the game, and we should care because you have to see them in town for a few seconds? That's silly.

Is this a world record for most ad hominems used regarding a gaming company's controversy ever?

The reason people bring up comparisons with Pepsi etc. is because what's "good for the game" is subjective.

Subjective is a word that means based on personal opinion.

To you, Razer footprints are good for the game.

To multiple others, Path of Exile lost a lot of fun factor, and possibly ceased to be fun altogether.

Different people find different things important. Thanks for adding another one to the pile of people making fun of them for that, I guess.