Claw Bloodseeker Build Brainstorming
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Hi,
so I found a perfect rolled Bloodseeker today (had never even heard of that unique before) and thought that it might make an amazing endgame build. While I do play melee (lvl 74 cleave duelist in Anarchy, lvl 81 duelist in Standard) I have zero experience with claw builds and thought somebody might help me out with a potential build. Those are the claws:
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Decent Damage & amazing life leech. So my questions atm: 1) Which skills to use
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Possible skills with claws for AoE: Cyclone or Whirling Blades Or with Melee Splash: Double Strike, Dual Strike, Frenzy, Flicker Strike, Elemental Hit, Puncture. Elemental Hit probably wouldn't work well, as claws are mainly physical. Cyclone would mean I could use an additional support gem. Double Strike would be nice if I'd use a shield. Unsure which of the others would be best... Autocthon had the great idea of using a blind gem for evasion (I smell a bringer of rain/bloodseeker build). 2) CI vs Life
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CI +Zealot's Oath and Ghost reaver (for ES instead of life leech) would give a lot more "life" and chaos immunity, but is more expensive. Life would enable me to use blood magic either with the BM passive (but then auras would be more problematic) or with the BM gem (higher life cost, but with enough leech it should be doable) 3) Dual Wielding vs Claw+Shield
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Dual Wielding would look way cooler obviously (haha) and damage would be higher as well (especially since the Bloodseeker damage isn't too high). A shield would provide more survivability. Would it be worth to invest in another Bloodseeker for dual wielding or do you thik the life leech from one is enough? 4) Where to start
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Shadow would probably be best for a CI build, Duelist for blood magic 5) Rough (!) draft for a CI dual-wielding Shadow @ 97 points (lvl 80ish): Also: Regarding Life leech I know the leech is usually 20% of max life per second. However as the leech with the Bloodseeker is applied instantly, is there a maximum leech? Ok, that's it for now. I'd be grateful for any input :) Cheers, Pes "Fixing the endgame was hard - No matter how hard we buffed red maps, people would keep spamming Gorges. So we turned Gorge into a red map" Last edited by qwertz#1626 on Jun 29, 2013, 2:30:07 PM
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its free vaal pact and you can get life leech up to 12% on rare claws
meh, idk, i still dont like the dmg on it, even with 20% quality [quote="DirkAustin"]They can always make a loser league where Monsters do no damage and you one shot everything. Goodness, people, just don't play in the hard parts of the game if you cant handle them.[/quote]
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I know, damage is a bit on the low side - hence the idea to use a second claw with higher damage...
Regarding skills - maybe I could use something like infernal blow/dominating blow/frenzy/dual/double strike with mele splash to make it AoE? Could potentially increase the damage... Infernal blow would scale nicely with increased elemental damage nodes... Edit: I quite like the Infernal blow + melee splash idea... With a 6L: Infernal blow + melee spash + increased physical + added fire + increased attack speed (or multistrike) + weapon elemental damage Should produce really nice damage (especially with hatred aura). Blood magic should be doable with enough life leech and Ci would work if I can get enough mana leech. Edit2: Frenzy would scale nicely with the physical damage as well. And dominating blow would resolve in my own personal army. :D So many options... Argh Edit3: It's not just a free Vall pact, but better as you can still use flasks & life regen. "Fixing the endgame was hard - No matter how hard we buffed red maps, people would keep spamming Gorges. So we turned Gorge into a red map" Last edited by qwertz#1626 on Jun 28, 2013, 8:04:29 AM
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Bump.
The more I think about it the more I think a dual wielding CI Shadow would work well with this build. I could replace the +melee physical damage gem with a melee damage on full life for 10% less mana cost. Mind drinker is close to the shadow for some nice mana leech. "Fixing the endgame was hard - No matter how hard we buffed red maps, people would keep spamming Gorges.
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" Dont forget that the "vaal pact" is only for hits with that weapon, so if you use another claw in oyur other hand it won't leech instantly... Proud 5th duelist in the Jul 1 2012 Ladder Race and in the Nov 3 2012 Solo Turbo Race :D
And even prouder 4th Templar in the Nov 10 Four-hour Party Hardcore Race :P Current OB success: top 20 Ranger in 105 Minute Turbo Solo (S4E9) |
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Thanks for the answer - I know, that's why I thought I might invest in a second blood seeker. But maybe even alternating weapons while dual wielding should provide enough (instant) leech (?).
Made a really rough first draft here (level 80ish): CI Shadow with Ghost Reaver & Zealot's Oath.
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154 strength 112 dex 232 int
214% max ES (+20% more ES from CI + 46% increased ES from int) 100% Evasion 60% Armour 24% all resists 18% attack speed for one handed weapons + 12% attack speed while dual wielding = 30% increased AS 124% increased physical for one handed + 72% increased physical for claws = 200% increased physical 4% additional Block Chance 12% of phy damage leeched back This is only a rough draft - All the points for strength seem a bit wasted and I'm not too sure if accuracy is enough - maybe I should go all the way down to Resolute Technique (there are some extra strength nodes on the way and I didn't pick up too many crit chance nodes anyways)... What do you think? Edit: I already changed the build (went into the witch tree for ES nodes). Updated Tree in the first post. "Fixing the endgame was hard - No matter how hard we buffed red maps, people would keep spamming Gorges. So we turned Gorge into a red map" Last edited by qwertz#1626 on Jun 28, 2013, 9:42:15 AM
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"This could be considered a good thing. If your DPS is high enough you'll be gaining 12% DPS as health +20% Health per second. Using Dual Strike or Cyclone with a Life Leech gem you'll be gaining massive amounts of health, especially with hatred factored in. I recommend going CI if you have the gear, if only because it makes reflect mobs easier to handle. Concentrate on getting the massive dual wield block passives by the duelist (you'll be in the area to get IR), then wear ES/EV gear (base ES loss is about 22% with good gear, not a big deal). However you can use Blind to get a 75% Evasion rate, which basically makes you "block capped" effectively. I'd rather have the evasion than Unwavering Stance personally. If you do that your defenses will look something like... 33% block (15% base, 14% at duelist, 4% at shadow) 75% Evasion (Blind) +Massive Armor Life Leech + Vaal Gain And 75% evasion means 75% enemy crit chance reduction (for all intents and purposes). You can add enfeeble to the mix for the massive DR scaling. Your skills could be (either/both): Dual Strike +MultiStrike +Splash +Life Leech +Physical on Full Life +Blind Cyclone +Increased AoE (In 4l) +IAS (In 4l) +Phys on Full +Life Leech(In 4l) +Your Choice I could see such a setup being nearly invulnerable, especially with the claw leech passives. Just make sure to get a couple of the claw clusters, just like 8 points of investment will produce a huge damage increases, aside form the mandatory claw leech. IGN - PlutoChthon, Talvathir
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Thanks for all your input! I'm loving this build already! :D
Edit: Argh - wrote half a novel and it disappeared. Damn it... "Fixing the endgame was hard - No matter how hard we buffed red maps, people would keep spamming Gorges. So we turned Gorge into a red map" Last edited by qwertz#1626 on Jun 28, 2013, 9:25:32 AM
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Don't forget Life Leech is global, if you don't believe me its easily testable.
That's the reason current high end "leech" claws aren't 6% intrinsic leech. IGN - PlutoChthon, Talvathir
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2nd try...
" Exactly :) " Why would you use a life leech gem? With 2 claws and some passives I sould be at around 30% leech - shouldn't that be enough? " I thought about that, but wouldn't that be pretty out of the way for a CI build? " This is a pretty good idea actually (Bringer of Rain / Bloodseeker Build haha). I quite like the infernal blow idea (50% of physical damage converted to fire) - it would mean less leech (but with 30% that shouldn't be too bad), but would be alot safer against reflect mobs. No? "Fixing the endgame was hard - No matter how hard we buffed red maps, people would keep spamming Gorges. So we turned Gorge into a red map" Last edited by qwertz#1626 on Jun 28, 2013, 9:40:13 AM
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