I've just seen 48 bots in two minutes.

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ZaruenKosai wrote:

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EmperorGR wrote:

Funny how abusing mechanics that exist to make party gaming better is considered by some a "playstyle"


You trick the game and you get the loot that is supposed to be for 6 ppl just for yourself , if thats not unfair advantage i really dont know what is.


But hey no problem , everyone can do it, its a choice right ? the game is meant to be played this way in fact i think its better if we disable the party with others completely since the efficient "legit" way of playing is partying with...yourself



Fun thing is that i dont really care about multiboxers , it just annoys me that they openly admit doing it and trying to convice everyone that its just a "playstyle"

almost as funny as this post. looks like you need a reneducation....


if you go to the bank and the person in front of you has a 5000$ Limit on their credit card as opposed to your 500$ limit, are you going to complain to the bank and tell them the person in front of you has an unfair advantage over you in life because of this..

didnt think so.. i think its time to get real and just admit that non multi boxers are really jealous of those who multibox (even if its legit). I sure as hell am but in no way do i think multiboxing is morally wrong unless bots are used of course.

your post makes zero sense.. you need to take your own advice and get real.

and acting as if controlling 6 accts at once is a playstyle is goofy as fuck. not a chance in a million years anyone with even a smidgen of a life would have your view on this topic.

i could go on and on about the faults and flaws of this game (and i have), but one thing i love is the anti-botting. it's awesome.

chris is like, yo we got this shit we just can't talk about it here because we're bugged

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Drahken wrote:

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ZaruenKosai wrote:

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EmperorGR wrote:

Funny how abusing mechanics that exist to make party gaming better is considered by some a "playstyle"


You trick the game and you get the loot that is supposed to be for 6 ppl just for yourself , if thats not unfair advantage i really dont know what is.


But hey no problem , everyone can do it, its a choice right ? the game is meant to be played this way in fact i think its better if we disable the party with others completely since the efficient "legit" way of playing is partying with...yourself



Fun thing is that i dont really care about multiboxers , it just annoys me that they openly admit doing it and trying to convice everyone that its just a "playstyle"

almost as funny as this post. looks like you need a reneducation....


if you go to the bank and the person in front of you has a 5000$ Limit on their credit card as opposed to your 500$ limit, are you going to complain to the bank and tell them the person in front of you has an unfair advantage over you in life because of this..

didnt think so.. i think its time to get real and just admit that non multi boxers are really jealous of those who multibox (even if its legit). I sure as hell am but in no way do i think multiboxing is morally wrong unless bots are used of course.

your post makes zero sense.. you need to take your own advice and get real.

and acting as if controlling 6 accts at once is a playstyle is goofy as fuck. not a chance in a million years anyone with even a smidgen of a life would have your view on this topic.

it is a playstyle.... people want more loot.. its one of way achieving said goal....

just because you dont do something .... it does not mean no one else should be allowed...

maybe my analogy sucked okay fine.

but my point still stands.... the only reason non multi boxers are complaining is because they are jealous of not being able to get all the loot multi boxers do.. they are jealous of the unfair advantage.... its obvious , no one is denying it.

I think if everything is being done manually.... why shouldn't multiboxers be allowed?

I dont know how someone would do it legit with 6.. but with 1 or 2 extra accounts it sure is possible.... so why not?

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EmperorGR wrote:

Funny how abusing mechanics that exist to make party gaming better is considered by some a "playstyle"


You trick the game and you get the loot that is supposed to be for 6 ppl just for yourself , if thats not unfair advantage i really dont know what is.


But hey no problem , everyone can do it, its a choice right ? the game is meant to be played this way in fact i think its better if we disable the party with others completely since the efficient "legit" way of playing is partying with...yourself



Fun thing is that i dont really care about multiboxers , it just annoys me that they openly admit doing it and trying to convice everyone that its just a "playstyle"

Players who multi-box are cheating and we all know it. I wish GGG would do more to prevent this exploit so legit players aren't forced to cheat to compete. I think the easiest thing to do is disable the group loot bonus for area bosses. This change would be effective in plugging the multi-exploit.

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moozooh wrote:

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obadonke wrote:

It's ok for a party of different people to get more loot , but not for one person to control 4 characters to get that loot?

Yes, because in the first case the loot is shared among several people, whereas in the latter case it's only one who gets the loot meant for four. With certain powerful builds that can do 15k+ effective dps over a wide area it doesn't even incur extra effort, other than taking the time to move other characters in range of the main damage source.

Additionally, people with large resolution displays and powerful PCs get an additional advantage doing so, since it'd be way harder to alternate between clients on a 13-15" laptop compared to a decent gaming PC, which, in essence, makes the whole affair pay-2-win.

Drawing useless comparisons and examples to say things are pay 2 win is just silly at times. If my PC and internet is much better than yours, then I get a huge advantage also, is that pay to win?

As to the other people stating multi-boxing only/always means you are automating your characters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-boxing

You may personally use different words to describe it, just as I might call your computer a rig, a computer, or a tower. Multi-boxing is strictly playing 2 or more clients at the same time, be it on multiple computers or one. Using tools to modify and automate key presses is an add-on feature to multi-boxing, and the 2 are not mutually inclusive.

As someone who has ran many 4-8 character "teams" in Dark Age of Camelot and other games without automation, I can tell you that it's something the average user wont enjoy doing. This game makes it even harder because you can not program macros within the game and there are no commands to make 1 character follow behind another.

I technically multi-box all the time when I'm transferring stuff from my second account to my first using my laptop next to me, and usually games allow this sort of thing as to not give people with multiple computers an advantage over those who don't.

Yesterday, I saw 6 duelists following the exact same path in town at almost the exact same moment, they ran to the stash, then ran to the waypoint.

It's not the first time I've seen this either.

Multiboxing is OK, as the user still controls the toons.
In the case above, it's obvious person was multiboxing + scripting and/or botting.

It's great GGG is looking into this. Some results in this area would be even better.

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if you go to the bank and the person in front of you has a 5000$ Limit on their credit card as opposed to your 500$ limit, are you going to complain to the bank and tell them the person in front of you has an unfair advantage over you in life because of this..

Your analogy is so bad it hurts , see it this way IF the bank was giving a bonus 500$ to EVERY PERSON and u made 5 fake id's and went ahead and took x6 bonus is that legit or no? thats a far closer analogy


I dont know why you guys even argue , You "trick" the game so you can take for yourself 6 people's loot , no matter how you see it you abuse the games mechanics


And obviously non-multiboxers are jealous , we are grinding like slaves to get the items we want then a smartass multiboxers comes and do it in 1/6 of the time by exploiting the loot bonus

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obadonke wrote:

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piotras wrote:

...multi-boxer hate...

It's ok for a party of different people to get more loot , but not for one person to control 4 characters to get that loot?

I don't see a problem here.

However, I *do* see a problem in people tele-porting a bunch of characters into an instance just to be present at the final kill to trigger the "more loot" mechanics of the game. This applies equally to all parties be they 10 human players or 1 human player.

If you want to get the rewards for fighting through an area as a group, you should all have to fight the battles, not just turn up at the end.

Anyway, I'm helping to derail this thread. Will stop now.

wow. our ideas of what's morally acceptable in terms of exploits are completely opposite. The latter situation you describe, the group TPs into boss areas, is used all the time in races and is a great strategy for min/maxing rewards and time at a small scale. much like picking certain nodes? choosing to play in a group in the first place? there's nothing wrong with using your knowledge/communication/skill to be up with the best.

I have a problem with the former situation, where one person gets four characters worth of loot with the same amount of time and effort as everyone else takes for one character's amount of loot. This is a large scale, lazy, super-efficient cheat/hack that can ruin the game.

My pet peeve about bot/boxers,is that they take up needed server resources,clog queues and generally impact on game performance and gameplay,especially in open world or community maps.

My second pet peeve about them is,loot and xp in general is balanced/nerfed around their net currency/mats/loot income and forces us all to live with some form of diminishing returns or walls to content.

I wouldn't have a care at all about bots/boxers if what they do/did didn't impact the community as a whole,but it does.

I've been there and done that,the whole multibox/bot/exploitable content thing and my mindset at the time was,I really just didn't give a damn about anyone elses game experience but my own.Now I'm not saying they all have that attitude,but most likely do.

For the last time: multiboxing doesn't make the game harder because monsters don't hit harder nor move faster, nor use skills they wouldn't have used otherwise. It makes the game longer. Every build involved in fillering/manual multiboxing as the main damage source is ranged, based on an overpowered skill combo (LA+Chain, Spork Totem, FP, what have you). It doesn't make a shred of difference from the difficulty standpoint if monsters take twice as long to kill when they're still killed way before they can deal a terminal amount of damage to any of the characters.

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Dellusions wrote:

Drawing useless comparisons and examples to say things are pay 2 win is just silly at times. If my PC and internet is much better than yours, then I get a huge advantage also, is that pay to win?

In a way, yes, but it's the developer's responsibility to minimize the effect of your hardware on your ability to play the game and balance accessibility (how weak a hardware can run the game) with features (how well a game looks, etc.). It's your responsibility to have hardware in the state developers actually require you to have.

But I hope you see the difference between that and a multi-monitor setup where you can see and control both your main character and your alt(s) simultaneously. If we were to quantify the ratio of advantage to added complexity this setup gives it would blow everything else out of the water.