Are rare bows ever worth it? And at what cost?

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tikitaki wrote:

Your quiver can also have crit...there, now you're at 8%...

get your crit multi above 150% and you're already matching that bow that took over 2500 chaos to roll.

that was hard.

It's funny getting crit to make Lioneye's better is easy but getting accuracy is hard.

Your quiver can also have crit...there, now you're at 8%...

get your crit multi above 150% and you're already matching that bow that took over 2500 chaos to roll.

that was hard.[/quote]

bro did you just say rare quiver? you have just no clue about this topic.... you realize blackgleam is rediculously better right? 50% physical -> Fire damage + Lavalash (30% fire dmg with weapons) + all the % elemental nodes on the tree that you MUST have = rare quiver is garbage

Oh look, it's iBruno.

It's also the 6th Ranger in Standard : o

On the topic of RT being on Lioneye instead of "Cannot Miss," I'd actually prefer this. No more accidental crit one-shots on reflect mobs.

EDIT: Also, I probably wouldn't use Lioneye for a Crit build unless stacking the living crap out of attack speed. Local crit mods affect the base 5% which is then multiplied further by your passives. In other words, a local crit mod is akin to a "more" modifier, which is multiplicative. If you want to crit a lot with a bow, having a local crit modifier is essentially a necessity.

If you use a pure physical bow like lions, lets say 343 dps with LA AND blackgleam and running hatred its effectively doing: (can someone confirm this is how physical conversion works)

171.5 dps lightning dmg
171.5 dps fire dmg
85.75 dps cold dmg (from hatred)

at 1.8 APS

or essentially 428.75 elemental dmg which is amplified initially by iron grip

* can crit (burn shock chill from crit)
* iron grip increases initial physical damage by a certain % based on STR
* some dps is gained from being able to crit
* one passive is saved from RT
* MUST use blackgleams in order to achieve high dps
* benefits greatly from lavalash

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/344077
Compared to this tri ele bow with 78.75 physical dps 281.75 elemental dps

which will do

39.375 physical damage
321.125 mixed elemental

Aproximately 321 Edps + some physical
at 1.75 APS

* Can not crit (no elemental crit procs)
* does not benefit from iron grip
* saves approximately 6 passive points by not having to spec to iron grip
* benefits somewhat from lavalash
* benefits from a quiver which can potentially have 2-28 light, 36 wed, 10 ias , 99 life, 30 chaos, 45 resist

While lionseye (blood magic gem variant) will soundly beat the tri ele in terms of dps, it is giving up about 5 or 6 passive points in order to reach iron grip and 5 affixes from a rare quiver.

To over simply things:

127.75 more ELEMENTAL dps

VS

6 passive points + 36WED , 2-28 light dmg + 99 life + 30 chaos resist + 45 ele resist

The question then becomes if you are creative enough to turn 6 passives as those additional stats into a mix of dps/health that can overcome a 128 dps deficit.

To reaffirm a point, lionseye is a grossly overpowered item considering its rarity and destroys item and build diversity.

Did you add in the extra dmg from the % elemental mod affecting auras?

Edit. And items for that matter. It's not all about the bow, you lose quite a bit with quiver.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Did you add in the extra dmg from the % elemental mod affecting auras?

Actually thats a huge factor I did not think of and it will be going with the assumption you are not running blood magic passive.

To all:

I'm terribly sorry but I'm kind of assuming a /real/ quiver is being used, not blackgleam

I realize blackgleam is a nice glass cannon quiver but I'm a hardcore player and even a 50% blackgleam is worth like...2 chaos there. nobody wants it, nobody uses it.

It's the godly WED/life/chaos/atck speed quivers that people want....not blackgleam.....

even so, i think the spirit of nephs math is mostly on par

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Megiddon wrote:

why has no one mentioned ROA in which you don't need accuracy at all?

The devs have already said that RoA CAN and DOES miss.

That it does not is a misconception.