Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

I'm not usually constructive when it comes to this issue, but in a an effort to "try".

Some ppl like FFA, some instanced, other with "special conditions" etc.
I understand the reasons for all of the above and wholeheartedly agree with all of them (the old saying is: To each their own). my solution is as follows:

Make new leagues. That's it.

Make new leagues (SC/HC/+) with instanced loot.
Keep default (SC/HC/+) as it is (FFA with timer)
Make leagues that allows parties (more specifically: party leader) to choose rules X/Y/Z
etc...

This gives everyone what they want.
This hurts nobody.

It is the solution to every loot issue that I've read about since July 2012.

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iamstryker wrote:

I see your sticking with the calling people care bear tactics.

Actually.... Try reading it in context.

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Vooodu wrote:

The MORE they cater to carebear/whiners or what ever you want to call these players.

Notice i said. 'or what ever you want to call these players'.

Which means, its open for interpretations.

I call them whiners or carebears. Feel free to call them what ever you want.


Also, what i call these players is not the point of my post.

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Josephoenix wrote:

This gives everyone what they want.
This hurts nobody.

Someone said earlier something about splitting the playerbase. Giving options would NOT split the player base, but adding like 10 leagues or whatever would. They would have to be careful when deciding to create more leagues. It may have an undesirable effect.

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Vooodu wrote:

Basically SELLING OUT is more profitable.

What are you going on about? Are you sure you understand business? Do you even understand what the hell "oldskool" means? Are we talking back in the day when you died you had to start the game completely over?

Your ego is pathetic. Your way is the only way is YOUR mind.

I'm going to quote urbandictionary on how I perceive carebear/whiners are defined, which seems completely off from your own:

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Back in the day, Carebear referred to a person or a game mechanic which eliminated or reduced all risk and challenge and realism from the game.

These days people throw the term carebear around to mean ANYTHING derotagory. Want to craft? You're a carebear! Don't want to play an mmorpg like a first person shooter? You're a carebear! Don't like to play the game like I play the game? You're a carebear!

The term carebear has become mangled and meaningless. But it used to mean something important to hardcore gamers.

Examples of the ORIGINAL term are:
No full loot was "carebear"
Safe zones were "carebear"
Limits on who you can attack and where you can attack them were "carebear."
Limits on freedom in general were "carebear."
Instances were "carebear."

Carebears were people who wanted devs to develop/change games to make their gaming experience easy, safe, and cozy. No risk, no challenge, no realism. Cozy like a carebear.

No one here is asking for the difficulty or game experience to be easier. In fact, many of us have asked for party play to be more challenging than solo.

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mibuwolf wrote:

Someone said earlier something about splitting the playerbase. Giving options would NOT split the player base, but adding like 10 leagues or whatever would. They would have to be careful when deciding to create more leagues. It may have an undesirable effect.

I think having more leagues then the current default and hardcore-league could hurt the game harder then creating loot-options. Of course i don't know how many people currently play Path of Exile, only GGG knows, but i don't think splitting up the playerbase in seperate leagues will work.

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mibuwolf wrote:

What are you going on about? Are you sure you understand business? Do you even understand what the hell "oldskool" means? Are we talking back in the day when you died you had to start the game completely over?

Your ego is pathetic. Your way is the only way is YOUR mind.

Have you lost yor mind. And what point did you think i would all of a sudden care about what you think? I never have and never, ever will when it comes to this topic. Im just telling it how it is.



BTW.. Urban Dictonary? Really? Its not even a real dictionary...lmao.


If GGG caters to you b@%#&es.. I won't play anymore.

I sure a shell won't cry on some forum for days on ends for them to change it like you. Il just gladly support a different game that caters to what i enjoy instead.


Because thats how its done. I don't want to play a game that caters to every single kid that complains about something. And any game that tries to do that, il use the simple OPTION of NOT PLAYING.


Simple as that.









And people wonder why games are so shitty nowdays. ...lmao.

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Vooodu wrote:

Im just telling it how it is.

I'll just go back to calling you a troll, cause I'm "telling it how it is."

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Vooodu wrote:

I won't play anymore

like somebody gives a rats ass on what you play or not

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mobutu wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

I won't play anymore

like somebody gives a rats ass on what you play or not

Hey, the reason i even started playing this game is because GGG made a game catered to players like me. I've been looking for a game like this for long time.



Im not here bitching up a storm to make them change it all to suit my taste. Like you.




Also..

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mibuwolf wrote:

No one here is asking for the difficulty or game experience to be easier. In fact, many of us have asked for party play to be more challenging than solo.

They can't fix stupid.


Teamwork > Solo.


Thats how it works.


If you want party play to be more difficult you might as well all play naked.


And really, theres a TON of threads asking for everything to be changed. Might as well cater to players who wan more options. Its great biznEss. Thats your logic...

Options iz teh coolest

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

Im just telling it how it is.

I'll just go back to calling you a troll, cause I'm "telling it how it is."

Hey.. What ever you say 'bitch'.

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Vooodu wrote:

Hey, the reason i even started playing this game is because GGG made a game catered to players like me. I've been looking for a game like this for long time.

The game was never done and still isn't. You shouldn't have joined with the assumption that things wouldn't change.

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Vooodu wrote:

Im not here bitching up a storm to make them change it all to suit my taste. Like you.

You mudslinging more than anyone else so ya I would call that bitching. People like myself will play the game even if GGG doesn't satisfy us and yet you will turn tale and run just becuase other players are playing differently...oh no.

You slippery slope arguments get dumber every time you use them and thats saying a lot. No one wants GGG to make every change thats being asked in the friggin forums. Changes should only be made that make sense to the developers.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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Ginfress wrote:

Nope, am serious. You don't have a right for freedom of speech on a forum like this.

He's right. I live in the USA, but I doubt the server that this is on does.

... I also doubt that if I were in a guy's restaurant telling him he needs to cook my eggs my way, he has every right to tell me and my money to GTFO.

... Kinda the same situation. Kinda not. But whatever.

Edit: Oh, and I'm Irish/Native American. My family moved here during the Irish potato famine. My ancestors consist of Irish/Scottish and Indian peoples. So I seriously doubt my ancestors died for the freedom of the colonies.

I live in the USA as well. I am also Sottish, Irish, and Indian (native American)... and my grandfather also came over during the Great Potato Famine. My ancestors - as well as yours - did fight and die in several wars for the freedom of speech in this country - including the first one in the colonies. You really ought to learn your history - people from all of those nationalities did fight on the side of the colonies at that time... including some of my ancestors. I can even name William Wallace (remember Braveheart?) as an ancestor - his mother was from clan Crawford - my clan as well - and so my people were fighting the English long before the war in the colonies... it was natural to continue to do so at that time.

People are free to post within the context of the rules of the forum - just as freedom of speech has certain limits as well.

But this thread is not about freedom of speech even though some would hijack it so - it is about a very large - if not major - part of the player base giving constructive feedback that the current loot system does not work as intended, makes few people happy, and that FFA has no impact on hardcore gaming.


FFA only makes the asinine ninjas happy - whereas most players prefer some form of optional looting in order to enjoy grouping, the only people that I see here defending the current system are the ninjas with arguments that consist only of avoidance and semantics. The current system is therefore indefensible.