Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

Yeah, I'm done.

"Becoming a troll thread..." "Becoming..."

... It's been one for a while, imo.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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Bex_GGG wrote:

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Hey guys,

just a heads up that Path of Exile is not an American company nor is it based in USA. We are not governed by American law inclusive of Freedom of Speech. However, if you would like to have an idea of what ways you'd be asked to restrict your conversation you should read through our Terms of Use - https://www.pathofexile.com/legal/terms-of-use-and-privacy-policy and perhaps return this thread to it's original topic.

Thanks so much :)

YES. Proof they are still reading. :D Thanks man.

But yeah... What is there to discuss at this point? I mean really? Besides people who haven't chimed in yet to voice their opinions?

*Edited for proper grammar*

Edit 2: And it's your first post ever Bex. :D ... Sad it had to be for this. D:

I'm just gonna summarize possible solutions that have been discussed in order of popularity (based on who have talked in this thread).

1. Options.

i.e. loot choices based on group. For example: I can choose pure FFA, allocated loot, or the weird hybrid GGG has going on now between the two.

2. Instanced.

i.e. each player's loot is separated by instance the same way quest items and events are (think Piety in Prisoner's Gate blocking the way forward).

3. Allocation.

i.e. the game server distributes loot accordingly.

4. Pure FFA.

i.e. No timers. No restrictions. Just the loot falling and anyone can pick it up. Period.

5. The current hybrid. (which hasn't been advocated as a solution, thus why it's last)

i.e. Things as they are now.

The order is based on my own impressions and not me or anyone else counting up who wants what.

I vote for pure FFA myself.

Very good post this, and I think it sums up the whole deal. I vote for options.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

Yeah, I'm done.

"Becoming a troll thread..." "Becoming..."

... It's been one for a while, imo.

Well, not everyone has to be blunt, no? ;)

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TremorAcePV wrote:

I'm just gonna repost this.

1. Options

Splits the player base.

It would? How so? Are we talking 50/50? Who would care? 90/10? Well, then we would know for sure that the option was needed, eh?

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Makes the game easier for some while leaving it hard for others.

It does? I cannot imagine such BS honestly. How would it make the game simpler to play? Sorry, but I'm not buying it and this is coming from a guy who is content with the FFA system and finds it easy to stay "attentive" and snatch is all up while people fight shit.

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Goes against GGG's vision for the game.

I would argue that options would allow GGG's true FFA vision to return somewhat to what it was. (ie. without timers)

At least you attempted to list some cons. I haven't heard any legitimate problems so far.

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Singingdog1110 wrote:

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Ginfress wrote:

You're wrong but then again you're only here for the giggles isn't it? You don't have any freedom of speech on a private forum. These are the GGG forums, they lay down the rules of what you are allowed to write and what not.

Geez, this is becoming quite the trolling thread. As far as I know, and I've been on various forums since usenet times, and all I can say is that while the Freedom of Speech political right does not apply to the internet, the freedom of expressing one's opinion on any forum (public or private) is a given, unless otherwise specified, i.e. until the mod contacts You or kicks You out.
Since this is a private forum, and killbilly were an offender, I suppose the moderator would already have silenced his (offensive or OT) output, no?

I WAS the offender????? last time i checked i am not the one to say to people to shut up.....what else i am gonna get blamed here.....lol

and political right doesnt' mean the politics only...lol

In reply to the Reddit post, where a dev says they are happy with the current loot timers, because they allow for a fast pace, I would suggest to then extend the timers on unique items, quality gems, and high-end currencies for boss fights. The pacing has ended at that point.

No reason to reward ninjas in pugs dudes.

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killbilly wrote:

I WAS the offender????? last time i checked i am not the one to say to people to shut up.....what else i am gonna get blamed here.....lol

He didn't say that. He used your name as an example =p

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TremorAcePV wrote:

Well, yes.

However, from what I know, the game started out as something that was being made for GGG, by GGG. Then evolved to more than that.

Call it what you will, but that's not very constructive.

It's calling it what it is. Fact is, with a gradual scale the community will not be absolutely divided, and it actually makes their original vision of pure FFA available for those that want it and timers available for those who lack a fast enough internet connection to deal with it. By the way, why do we care if the community is divided, anyway? We have HC/SC already, and will have Cut-Throat as a different parameter later, so SC/SCCT/HC/HCCT, or later when guilds make their own leagues... This community will be massively divided soon enough.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

And honestly, it's free to play. They are developing it. They can do what they wish. If people sunk money into it but don't like how it is now, that sounds like a personal problem.

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand how F2P works. Large-scale online games, including all MMO's and games like LoL and PoE, either require or are vastly improved by large playerbases. Therefore, the F2P model provides a nigh-unlimited resource of players, which then provide party members and PvP opponents to paying players, which makes their game experience better makes them more likely to pay more into a game.

In other (cynical) words, F2P players are part of the game product provided to paying players, as well as potentially becoming paying players at a later date. I should know, I played DDO for free for about a month before dropping about $12 on the game to unlock some convenience features. In any case, F2P players are vitally important to the success of a F2P game, and as such their input should never be considered less important than a paying player's, particularly since paying players might not be aware of all the problems in a game.

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XCodes wrote:

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand how F2P works. Large-scale online games, including all MMO's and games like LoL and PoE, either require or are vastly improved by large playerbases. Therefore, the F2P model provides a nigh-unlimited resource of players, which then provide party members and PvP opponents to paying players, which makes their game experience better makes them more likely to pay more into a game.

In other (cynical) words, F2P players are part of the game product provided to paying players, as well as potentially becoming paying players at a later date. I should know, I played DDO for free for about a month before dropping about $12 on the game to unlock some convenience features. In any case, F2P players are vitally important to the success of a F2P game, and as such their input should never be considered less important than a paying player's, particularly since paying players might not be aware of all the problems in a game.

So, in real talk...



Basically SELLING OUT is more profitable.


NooOoooo... Really? :D.





Now, the reality of selling out is. You may bring in more profit but you will lose the true core of your fans in the process. There are many examples of this in all forms of entertainment.

Selling out does rake in major profits very quickly. If making tons of cash is their main goal than selling out should be simple, easy and quick.


At this point they seem to be stringing all sides along. My opinion is they should just return POE to full FFA and remove all 'WHINE' loot rules from this game.

Or, they should just give in and make it instanced loot. Removing the looting mini game would pretty much kill the fun of FFA loot but it would shut every one up. It would be boring and dull as hell. But i bet people could live with it.


Or they could give 'options'.. Ruin the game and make it a joke. I personally won't play this game much longer if 'options' are put in.

In the end. The MORE they cater to carebear/whiners or what ever you want to call these players. The faster il jump ship to a new game when it comes around which caters to the old skool style of players.

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Vooodu wrote:

Or they could give 'options'.. Ruin the game and make it a joke. I personally won't play this game much longer if 'options' are put in.

In the end. The MORE they cater to carebear/whiners or what ever you want to call these players. The faster il jump ship to a new game when it comes around which caters to the old skool style of players.

Do it GGG!, Do it before he changes his mind! ;)

This game can easily be old school and new school at the same time. I see your sticking with the calling people care bear tactics.