Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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iamstryker wrote:

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RestInPieces wrote:

"Add a respec option, whoever doesn't want to respec can just choose not to! We don't want to take anything away from the hardcore-ness of your game!"

"I hate the RNG! Add orbs for standard mods! Don't want to take anything out of the game, whoever likes RNG will use chaos!"

"Add a difficulty option! If you want the game to be challenging it can stay that way for you, add it and everyone will be happy!"

I hope you understand why these arguments are no arguments at all.

This issue is about a competitive feature that is ONLY forced onto players in public games.

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RestInPieces wrote:

Now, sorry but, THIS, is a ridiculous argument. But hey, i've heard worse than yours:

"Add a respec option, whoever doesn't want to respec can just choose not to! We don't want to take anything away from the hardcore-ness of your game!"

"I hate the RNG! Add orbs for standard mods! Don't want to take anything out of the game, whoever likes RNG will use chaos!"

"Add a difficulty option! If you want the game to be challenging it can stay that way for you, add it and everyone will be happy!"

I hope you understand why these arguments are no arguments at all.

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iamstryker wrote:

The beauty of it is I don't have to prove you wrong since you do nothing at all besides preach your very extreme opinions.

Thats ok because there are plenty of other FFA supporters that actually try to use arguments. I can spend my time proving them wrong and just ignore you. Yay.

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iamstryker wrote:

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mobutu wrote:

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mushioov wrote:

Those who in your words "avoid" FFA loot shouldn't be playing the game then.
Then they are trying to make the game something that it isn't.
There IS FFA loot and that's how it goes.
That's how it's designed, that's how it's supposed to be.
You adapt if you want to play.
And yes I would be affected because then I wouldn't be picking their shit up!
If I want to be a thief grabbing every exalted orb from the ground, this game let's me do it, and I love it.

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Thanks for storing that little gem of information mobutu. I could have swore that FFA lovers just enjoyed the playstyle and weren't out to steal everything in sight. Guess here is a perfect example of what they normally claim NOT to be.

So loot options effects you because you would have less easy prey? Wow.

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AceNightfire wrote:

Simple solution:
- Make a timer that hinders ALL people from getting the item
- Make the timer invisible so that no one can see how long the item is locked
- After the timer has dropped zero, everyone can take the item

Advantages:
- This way, ranged characters have a fair chance to get every dropped item too
- No one thinks the dropped items are theirs because there are no timers with names anymore
- Less screen clutter because there are no more dozens of drop timers after killing rare/unique/boss monsters
- Looting is still exciting, because you don't know how much time you have until the item is unlockedfor everyone and it's FFA like the developers want it to be.

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TadaceAce wrote:

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AceNightfire wrote:

Simple solution:
- Make a timer that hinders ALL people from getting the item
- Make the timer invisible so that no one can see how long the item is locked
- After the timer has dropped zero, everyone can take the item

Advantages:
- This way, ranged characters have a fair chance to get every dropped item too
- No one thinks the dropped items are theirs because there are no timers with names anymore
- Less screen clutter because there are no more dozens of drop timers after killing rare/unique/boss monsters
- Looting is still exciting, because you don't know how much time you have until the item is unlockedfor everyone and it's FFA like the developers want it to be.

I've always supported this idea. Other players seeing your timer annoys me. Something nice drops and combat stops while 3 people sit on top of it hoping to snag it when the timer runs out.

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RestInPieces wrote:

Now, sorry but, THIS, is a ridiculous argument. But hey, i've heard worse than yours:

"Add a respec option, whoever doesn't want to respec can just choose not to! We don't want to take anything away from the hardcore-ness of your game!"

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RestInPieces wrote:

"Add a difficulty option! If you want the game to be challenging it can stay that way for you, add it and everyone will be happy!"

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mushioov wrote:

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TadaceAce wrote:

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AceNightfire wrote:

Simple solution:
- Make a timer that hinders ALL people from getting the item
- Make the timer invisible so that no one can see how long the item is locked
- After the timer has dropped zero, everyone can take the item

Advantages:
- This way, ranged characters have a fair chance to get every dropped item too
- No one thinks the dropped items are theirs because there are no timers with names anymore
- Less screen clutter because there are no more dozens of drop timers after killing rare/unique/boss monsters
- Looting is still exciting, because you don't know how much time you have until the item is unlockedfor everyone and it's FFA like the developers want it to be.

I've always supported this idea. Other players seeing your timer annoys me. Something nice drops and combat stops while 3 people sit on top of it hoping to snag it when the timer runs out.

Timers without names is a good idea. But not invisible timers. How do you know if that loot is "your" loot for that small time (even though there is no "your" loot per se), or if the invisible timer is still going? You don't and that makes it stupid and frustrating.

I propose to keep the system as it is so that ranged chars have chance to pick stuff up and remove names from the timers. You can still know if that loot is "yours" if it's not grayed out.