Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.
" I didn't say feedback isn't good. For example finding bugs with feedback is tremendously helpful. On the other hand, suggesting to alter something fundamentally critical like the hardcore loot system, is very different. People do it because they don't usually understand the bigger picture behind it, or they got "screwed" and got angry. "I got screwed, now I'm angry, I want it to be changed." doesn't mean the system is flawed, it's you who is flawed. You already have the options to make it better, get a better ISP, hone your reflexes and mouse skills, learn to be more alert. Everything is there for you to change. Loot is supposed to be competition in FFA groups, the devs have said this and nothing will undo it. Play with similar minded people if you want "instanced loot". You don't get to change fundamental features just because you don't like it. We others DO like it, and it's the reason we supported GGG in the first place. Changing something as critical as that is like spitting on our faces. Democracy in developing features isn't for the better if the game is catered for the hardcore like PoE is, understand this. In fact, democracy in developing features is almost invariably bad because then the driving factor is lost - the vision of a great game. |
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" This really isn't a good argument to not incorporate something into the game. Suggestions from the community should be weighed on their own merits and not cast aside just because its not something put in from the start. " You mean competitively? The way people already avoid playing? " The amazing part is people DON'T want to change FFA. It can stay in the game and people can use it same as now. Whats being suggested is adding in an option to enforce the way people are ALREADY trying to play in public games which is everyone gets their assigned loot. Doing this should only make the community happier as a whole. Standard Forever Last edited by iamstryker#5952 on Mar 15, 2013, 6:50:25 AM
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" Reporting bugs is not really the kind of feedback I was talking about, so my point still stands; You think that the devs should not listen to the community when making the game. " The loot system is not "fundamentally critical" and it's not a "hardcore loot system". Seriously, you need to stop making shit like that up. " No, it's not that people don't understand, it's just that people don't agree with it. " The devs can change their minds. They have done so in the past. People often give these devs credits for listening and reacting to the community. The devs didn't want unique items. How did the game break when they changed their mind on that? That's something that is actually fundamental. Don't ignore this. " It's not more fundamental than any other feature in the game and no one is asking for FFA loot to be removed. Don't you see the irony in saying: "Here is how you avoid FFA loot, it's fine just do that. I don't want anyone to have the option to avoid FFA loot because it's the core of the game" Loot options would improve the game for those who are trying their best to avoid FFA loot anyways. And you who like FFA loot would barely be affected! The only change for FFA groups is that there would be more competition. Is that not a good thing? Last edited by Sickness#1007 on Mar 15, 2013, 7:45:43 AM
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" There are people who supported and still support ggg that want/are fine with loot options. So cut the "we" crap. |
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" Get out with that irrelevant shit. We are the hardcore audience PoE is made for, so yeah. It's not the game for masses, it's the game for the hardcore players, like myself. You mad? Cuz that's how it is. " Those who in your words "avoid" FFA loot shouldn't be playing the game then. Then they are trying to make the game something that it isn't. There IS FFA loot and that's how it goes. That's how it's designed, that's how it's supposed to be. You adapt if you want to play. And yes I would be affected because then I wouldn't be picking their shit up! If I want to be a thief grabbing every exalted orb from the ground, this game let's me do it, and I love it. |
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" Quoted in case of later editing. qed |
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" It's not only made for super hardcore player like you. Or how do you explain the non-hardcore league? They obviously want to cater to different groups of players. And there is nothing inherently hardcore about FFA loot. " You need to understand that FFA loot is just a small part of the game. It's already easy to avoid, so it can't be as essential and fundamental as you try to make it look. I still see NOTHING in your posts that would even suggest to being an argument against loot options. "It shouldn't be in the game because it's not in the game" is not a valid argument, I'm sorry. And how long will you ignore the fact that the devs didn't want unique items, yet they added it and the game didn't break? " You can still do that! No one would force you to play with instanced loot. Or are you worried that the easy vinctims will all be avoiding your FFA groups? Yeah, that's so fkn hardcore man. Want a medal of hardcoreness? |
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Day after day it never ceases to amaze me how the pro-FFA crowd doesn't bring that many solid arguments into the discussion while the 'anti-FFA' crowd quite constantly brings in valid points which the other party refuses to answer. The only real argument I've heard for keeping FFA as is is the "we want to grief", and almost every pro-FFA argumenter here has either accidentally, intentionally or indirectly admitted it. That IS a valid argument, it's up to devs if it's a good one.
I'd love to hear answers that argue these points instead of going into senseless drivel: No one is asking anything to be taken away from the FFA crowd if loot options are added. Why constantly act like we're asking for an FFA feature to be removed? If people play in non-FFA parties, how having loot options hurts the FFA parties who these non-FFA people are not playing with? What difference does it make to FFA parties if other (private) parties have better game-provided loot division mechanisms? No one is asking for anything to be removed. But added. |
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" If you are playing in a group you are playing the easiest form of the game. Stop trying to convince people you are ‘hardcore’ when you are playing easy mode. WHEN they change the loot system I hope that they increase the difficulty of multiplayer at the same time. IGN: Wrathmar * Paulie * Client
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" It's been 7 weeks now since this thread was started,I would like the Dev's to make some sort of comment instead of just leaving it to a slanging match. Either come out and say we are going to do something or its not going to happen. End this once and for all. |
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