Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Fimpen23 wrote:

This guy is spot on! Totally agree with you. It "WAS" yours! This is a competitive game, if people don't like it then play with friends only, if you don't have friends, play solo.

If you can avoid the competitiveness so easily then is it really a competitive game?
There is only loot competition in public groups.

You are just using the same old circular argument that the game is competetive and therefor FFA loot is good, when it is the FFA loot that is the competition.

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Sickness wrote:

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Fimpen23 wrote:

This guy is spot on! Totally agree with you. It "WAS" yours! This is a competitive game, if people don't like it then play with friends only, if you don't have friends, play solo.

If you can avoid the competitiveness so easily then is it really a competitive game?
There is only loot competition in public groups.

You are just using the same old circular argument that the game is competetive and therefor FFA loot is good, when it is the FFA loot that is the competition.

FFA loot is indeed the competition! You have solo play, where everything that drops is naturally yours and you have group play, with increased reward but the risk of losing out if you don't pay attention.

GGG wants their game to be competitive, GGG Chris also said this in their opening post on page 1 of this thread:

"It's important to us that Path of Exile has a cut-throat feel where players are not only competing against monsters, but also their fellow players. We do not feel it is an option to arbitrarily hide items from players who have not been allocated them."

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SeikenZ wrote:

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Sickness wrote:

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Fimpen23 wrote:

This guy is spot on! Totally agree with you. It "WAS" yours! This is a competitive game, if people don't like it then play with friends only, if you don't have friends, play solo.

If you can avoid the competitiveness so easily then is it really a competitive game?
There is only loot competition in public groups.

You are just using the same old circular argument that the game is competetive and therefor FFA loot is good, when it is the FFA loot that is the competition.

FFA loot is indeed the competition! You have solo play, where everything that drops is naturally yours and you have group play, with increased reward but the risk of losing out if you don't pay attention.

You missed my whole point about the circular argument, huh?

Btw, you forgot "group play with friends".

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SeikenZ wrote:

GGG wants their game to be competitive, GGG Chris also said this in their opening post on page 1 of this thread:

"It's important to us that Path of Exile has a cut-throat feel where players are not only competing against monsters, but also their fellow players. We do not feel it is an option to arbitrarily hide items from players who have not been allocated them."

You know, at one point they felt that it was it wasn't an option to have unique items in the game.
You guys need to stop believing that GGG is infallible and that if they change their minds on topics that you specifically agree with the game will be ruined.
Open your mind just a little, please.

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SeikenZ wrote:

You have solo play, where everything that drops is naturally yours and you have group play, with increased reward but the risk of losing out if you don't pay attention.

There is no 'increased reward' in group play. It's actually a diminishing loot per player per added player. You get the most loot to your name solo, the least in 6p.

Edit: fixed grammatical typo

some dudes here really need to understand what competition trully means.
even ggg, if they think this is "competitiveness"

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mobutu wrote:

some dudes here really need to understand what competition trully means.
even ggg, if they think this is "competitiveness"

Oh hey, it's you again. The guy who couldn't think of anything constructive last time and resorted to petty comments instead.

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mobutu wrote:

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Crackmonster wrote:

The fear of losing your life drives you to live.

Yet we talk about a simple game.
But i guess some people are way over their head.

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Crackmonster wrote:

Shit is funny aint it

Aint it indeed.
Thought i heard them all but you ffa lovers insist in getting deeper and deeper into embarrassment.

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SeikenZ wrote:

What part of "same rules for everyone, per league" do you not understand?

sure, heard that also, ffa is core, bla bla bla. old kiddie story

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SeikenZ wrote:

Go buy your own beloved instanced loot league when the time comes.

you da harcorer, mad clicker, prop skill, you da man.
uh oh talking about people that are way over their head.

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Sickness wrote:

You missed my whole point about the circular argument, huh?

Btw, you forgot "group play with friends".

No I didn't miss it, I just didn't pay attention to it in my post because it was based on assumptions. The assumption that I believe "that the game is competitive and therefor FFA loot is good". What is wrong or good doesn't matter, it's based on opinions and in this case GGG's opinion is that they want FFA for their game.

What do you want me to say about "Group play with friend"? It's still competitive, yet most "friends" abide by self-made lootrules, because they are friends.

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Sickness wrote:

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SeikenZ wrote:

GGG wants their game to be competitive, GGG Chris also said this in their opening post on page 1 of this thread:

"It's important to us that Path of Exile has a cut-throat feel where players are not only competing against monsters, but also their fellow players. We do not feel it is an option to arbitrarily hide items from players who have not been allocated them."

You know, at one point they felt that it was it wasn't an option to have unique items in the game.
You guys need to stop believing that GGG is infallible and that if they change their minds on topics that you specifically agree with the game will be ruined.
Open your mind just a little, please.

Oh I'm open minded, the game will probably not be ruined with the amount of mainstream people who dominate the world, but it will certainly open the doors for more of these "convenient" or "modern" mechanics such as that you don't have to worry about anything at all anymore, because the game makes sure that you don't have to experience the feeling of "loss" in any way, that it will ultimately bring the game to such a level that it won't be different anymore.

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SeikenZ wrote:

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BigBadWolf1776 wrote:

It had my name on it, hence it was mine. Period.

You're correct in that it "WAS" yours. After that, it became everyone's.

Like GGG said, this game is meant to be competitive and it definitely should remain competitive. You're not in some carebear land where everyone around you is a trustworthy bloke willing to rub your back, you're an exile on some godforsaken island. This is how GGG envisioned their game.

Sorry SeikenZ the devs have listen to the players complaints and are currently working on improvements to the Loot system. Since they are changing the system for public parties the question to you is…


How do they change the system while keeping some of the competition that you enjoy?