Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.
" At least I admit that they are opinions. I am on here stating my opinion. Just as all of us can do. " What does this have to do with anything? Ya this BETA currently uses only FFA loot? Still stating the obvious? " Thanks Captain obvious. Standard Forever
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Standard Forever Last edited by iamstryker#5952 on Feb 28, 2013, 4:27:50 PM
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" That is simply not true. If that blatant made-up-on-the-spot lie is your argument against loot options then you have lost the debate. Just accept that and move on. Your way of playing will NOT be affected, unless are afraid of what will happen when all the FFA groups are filled with people who enjoy and are good at grabbing loot quickly. |
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Responses to TremorAcePV
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" The boldened part didn't insinuate that at all. " You will have to quote me instead of just saying that I do that. If you go back and read my posts you will notice that I say "In my opinion" a lot. Thats because everything I say is my opinion of the game. I don't go around going "These are the facts and you can't argue with me because only I know the truth". I am arguing for a different playstyle due to my opinion and those of a big portion of this playerbase. I don't think at all that you have to adhere to my desires and beliefs. When did you EVER get that idea? " I don't need facts to give you my opinion. Do I really need to explain that? What I said is what I believe to be true based on the posts of the FFA supporters. If you want to argue that its not true then do that. Why would you take what I wrote there as an insult? " Simply adding his view? Ya right. He throws his opinion around like its iron clad facts, sort of like what you do sometimes. Thats the problem I have. What I wrote was not an insult. It was my view of him and what he rights. I was completely serious. " lol wow. You try to give me a lecture on insulting people and then call me a child. Now THATS hypocrisy. Lose our humanity? Now your being overly dramatic? Its a video game. " Your opinion about the game needing to stay FFA is an opinion, it has nothing to do with facts. You have argued with me many times your opinion against mine. Thats all they are is opinions. " Thats funny I think you do the same thing. But if you really want me to respond to something just ask. I type enough as it is, I miss things occasionally. " I can have a polite discussion about this stuff any time. If you would like I will go back and quote you when I feel like you have been unnecessarily insulting and trying to force your opinon onto others. Don't act like you have been any better in here. " I can have a discussion about this anytime in a mature fashion as I have done longer than anyone who is currently posting in this thread. You should practice what you preach. " So now if people leave typo's they don't deserve to be heard? " I would rather talk to someone who leaves typoes then someone who can't simply discuss something without swearing and acting like their in second grade. Who cares if they are good at English? Maybe English isn't there first language. " Nice bias and more hypocrisy. Continuing the petty insults just makes you look worse. " You see your being hypocritical and your ok with it. Nice. So you yourself can't live up to the standards you want others to live up to on the forum? " How could we? You guys can't even explain it yourselves. You just tout the imaginary scenerio. As I said before you are so afraid of other people playing in a non competitive way that you don't care about the current multitude of players who just completely avoid public games. " Here is an example. IN YOUR OPINION you are hardcore and I am casual, yet in your mind its a cold hard fact. In my opinion you think your hardcore for playing a silly race to the loot mini game. Its not actually difficult just a different play style. I really can't help but laugh at the thought that people think FFA is hardcore. " Keep talking about logic. It makes you look so superior. Standard Forever
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" People are already circumventing this system because they don't like it. You assume its because of added difficulty but the game is harder solo. Forcing players to pvp during pve is just artificial difficulty. If you just want the game to be harder then the devs can do that within the confines of PVE. I thought people actually enjoyed FFA are you saying that they don't? " You could still do that. Just make your own private game and title it whatever you want. But no the devs talked about loot competition. I don't recall them ever supporting what your talking about. " I don't agree that there should be a downside to public games. Private games are the easiest way to play the game. No downside there. Why should there be in public games? Standard Forever
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Would giving the option for party leaders to adjust the loot timers completely ruin the game? I don't get it. FFA'ers could have their rat race, and people that want to chill out can play the game to maybe relax?
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"The potential downside to joining a public group is winding up in a group with an unpleasant person. There really shouldn't be a mechanical penalty to playing a game with other people, particularly when this is an always online game. |
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" Statements like that is why it's so hard to take the pro-FFA side seriously. But you guys keep saying the craziest shit. You seem to like facts, so here are some: People will play FFA even if there are loot options. That's a fact because people have said that they will in this very thread. Loot is a reward. That you can kill monsters and not get loot could not be more irrelevant. You can find a lost kitten and return it without getting something, does that mean that if return a lost kitten and get some money that is not a reward? No, obviously not. A reward is a reward, IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL if you get it everytime or not. Also, why the heck do you make a distinction between bonus and reward? If you get a bonus then THAT IS YOUR REWARD. Do you even know that the word reward means? Last edited by Sickness#1007 on Feb 28, 2013, 5:12:55 PM
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" Here's a quote from you Tremor. I just want to point out that I never refuse to discuss the looting system with anyone and I do my best to control my temper even if someone posts something that gets under my skin. I occasionally will say something that someone can take as an insult (Not normally intended) but I don't think I do stuff like this and call someone poison for having a different opinion than me. I posted this so that you can see that the conversation devolving is just as much on you as anyone else. Standard Forever
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In response to TremorAcePV,
i just wanted to say, it was a very well written post, and I agree with most of what you say about hostile posts(though you did get a little insulting yourself there at the end). Where we differ, is that I find most of the insults come from the pro FFA faction and are directed at people like myself who want something different (I am not referring to this thread in particular, I haven't read it all). The people who call themselves "hardcore" are very rarely like yourself. They are usually extremely hostile, quick to insult, and assume we are all carebear losers who don't deserve to play anything above fate's(very casual ARPG) level of complexity. Im 32, and have been gaming since I was 5. Its the only hobby I have. I am not casual, I do not like simple games, I enjoy difficulty, but I also do not like to group, and FFA loot when playing with strangers really doesn't make me want to change my mind. I'm not so much against FFA, as much as I am against how skewed the game is towards playing in a group, when even you agree that the game is primarily single player. I would have no problem with the FFA if this issue didn't exist. Progressing past act 3 cruel playing totally solo becomes quite difficult because it is so difficult to keep your gear from lagging at that point. You start to have to grind for gear, which cause you to get ahead in levels, which then causes you to take a penalty to currency drops...wait what?? How does that make sense. So grinding for gear will actually make me get less of the currency that I hardly ever get to begin with? I stated that I like difficulty before. That is true, but ARPG difficulty is not the same as Ninja gaiden difficulty. Progressing without proper gear becomes a battle of attrition, and with exp penalties(which im fine with), you can not blindly throw yourself at the problem until you win. So back to the FFA issue. The whole point of an ARPG for me is building my character into something powerful. For that I need exp and loot. Playing with strangers who are hiding behind a computer, and because of this refuse to act civil, makes getting said loot a declaration for word wars sometimes, and i just don't have the energy or the patience for that. I'm a salesman, i deal with difficult people for a living, I don't want to do it im my hobby. So whats the answer, what is the solution? For me its simple, increase drop rates for solo. Particularly on currency items. I would be happy with just raising it to the lvl of a 2 player party. I promise, the majority of people who don't like FFA are probably like me. They are only against it, because they feel the have to group to progress. Its the complete opposite of diablo 3 where grouping actually lowered your chance of progression(because of extreme difficulty before all the patches) and you lowered the gear you got by avg your item rarity between the group. PoE has gone the complete opposite end of the spectrum, where you almost have to group if you want progress at any kind of normal speed once you hit roughly act 3 cruel. You look at the inventories of these streamers who only play in groups. They have a whole page of valuable currency items. Stacks and stacks and stacks of alchs, chaos, ect. You look at the floor when they are running a map, when they hit alt, all you can see is items littering the floor, they cant even leave the item names up, its too much. I read people saying they went through 500 fusing trying to make a 6l. ect, ect, ect. I have 3 characters in cruel, 2 in act 3, 1 just got there and a bunch more throughout normal(i cant just play 1 character, i like to rotate to keep them fresh). I may have gotten 15 total chaos orbs, maybe 15 total alchs, no more than 25 fusings or jewelers, 1 blessed, 1 exalted, 0 GCP. Ive had 3 unique drops(all terrible or very low lvl). I started playing the week open beta started. I use as much IIQ and IIR as I can afford to use without dying. I know I haven't played as many in game hours as them, but I could play triple what they have and not sniff the level or items and orbs they get. Im not going to quit if nothing changes, ill just keep slogging through it solo. But it just seems like such and easy fix to keep everyone happy. FFA remains, grouping is still more beneficial, but solo players at least have a chance. Last edited by jalford#3761 on Feb 28, 2013, 5:55:26 PM
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